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Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:46AM (#29459643)
who can compete with amazon when their pricing is a result of their massive scale and supply chain dominance?
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by namlem on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:54AM (#29459734)
A lot of things are still often cheaper on eBay. Plus, price isn't everything. Amazon has quality problems.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by NavinF on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:01AM (#29459809)
who can compete with Walmart when their pricing is a result of their massive scale and supply chain dominance? /s
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:07AM (#29459864)
You're trying to invalidate an argument with the same argument.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by lotsofpulp on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:37AM (#29461012)
They are showing your argument is invalid in the first place.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:40AM (#29461051)
by reiterating it? Amazon occupied a space that Walmart was long absent in.

Who is competing against Amazon or Walmart now?

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by lotsofpulp on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:53AM (#29461222)
If your argument was valid, it would be not re-iterable.

The fact that you can plug Walmart/Sears/IBM/etc into it means there was something others were able to outcompete them on with even though the incumbent had scale.

For example, right now, I source my items from Costco/Target/Best Buy/Home Depot/Lowes/Staples/Winco (grocery store), Trader Joe’s, and I make minimal use of Walmart and even less of Amazon.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:14AM (#29461538)
Sears and IBM at their peaks weren't at Walmart or Amazon's scale. Amazon's scale in their respective market is even more dominant than Walmart... they're approaching over half of all global ecommerce. Second place isn't close. Walmart covers <25% brick and mortar retail.

Also, look at it from the perspective of a small business. If you want to sell things online you're at a competitive disadvantage by not selling on Amazon. There are a number of companies that have cited this frustration. When you do sell on Amazon you're giving up some sales data which Amazon can then use to decide to undercut your product with their basics line, which very possibly comes from the same Chinese manufacturers at lower Amazon-negotiated prices.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by lotsofpulp on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:17AM (#29461589)
What does it even mean to say Amazon has 50% of the global e-commerce market? I cannot even find Amazon sourcing and selling the goods I am searching for 90% of the time. They do not even offer a filter to show only items shipped and sold by Amazon.com, it is always some no name reseller. I only buy because I know Amazon will refund me.

Small businesses are also at a competitive disadvantage by not having the prime corner spot in downtown.

It just means you have to compete by selling something else that people want. If you want to play in the 2% profit margin cheap goods market, then you probably will not have a good time competing against others who have already optimized it.

Amazon has cornered the cheap goods online market (i.e. a more comfortable version of AliExpress). So do not compete with them on that if you want to earn more. If I am looking for something of decent quality, and you can figure out how to source it and guarantee that quality, then people will buy directly from your website (I do). Or Costco or Best Buy or another retailer will want to pick it up.

Oxo is another good example. They were able to expand their marketshare because they saw a market where people wanted to spend more to be assured of a higher quality good. Walmart was and still is selling the same stuff under the Mainstays brand, yet Oxo has grown because they correctly predicted that people would be willing to spend x% more for y% higher quality (or perception of quality).

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:21PM (#29462620)
This really isn't having the prime corner spot downtown. This is kind of like being the landlord of every corner spot in every downtown.

To me it seems like this amount of commerce concentration can exaggerate existing economic disparities.

Anyway, I hope you're right and it works out well for everyone!

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by lotsofpulp on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:46PM (#29463876)
The big difference that makes the analogy not useful is that being the landlord of every corner spot in downtown means people face a high cost when going to a different vendor in a different physical location.

Amazon is a website, the cost of visiting a different website is pretty much zero.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by micromacrofoot on Monday December 06, 2021 @02:35PM (#29464492)
Sure, but as Amazon captures more of the online shopping market... it gets increasingly more difficult to sell something to someone outside of Amazon (which is also why Prime exists).

The cost of not being on Amazon increases as Amazon's size increases. Is there a point where that becomes unfair?

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by lotsofpulp on Monday December 06, 2021 @03:37PM (#29465325)
Everything is life is unfair. The question is where does the government need to intervene.

In my opinion, not yet in the case of Amazon. As I listed, they numerous competitors, and one hardly needs Amazon to obtain their goods. It is trivial to throw up a non Amazon retail website.

At least I can think of many more businesses where consumers do not have an option and extremely high switching costs that need to be dealt with first. Such as a home’s wired internet service provider. That is an unfair advantage that needs the government.

I would say the iOS/Android duopoly is another big one.

The inconvenience of needing to go to a different website (which already exist) is not.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by dTal on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:03AM (#29459825)
Why the /s ?
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by kwertyoowiyop on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:47AM (#29461134)
Probably because Amazon is.

And to be fair: though Amazon seems unstoppable now, so did Microsoft, IBM, Sears, GM, Kodak, and many others.