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Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by AzzieElbab on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:04AM (#29459218)
Are you seriously rooting against things that work as opposed to things that don’t?
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by unity1001 on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:23AM (#29459389)
Slavery worked. Feudalism worked. Aristocracy worked. Child labor worked (and very well too). Fascism worked as another commenter noted. Why did we do away with all those 'working things'. We should have kept them.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by pjmlp on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:34AM (#29459515)
Why the past tense? Unfortunely in several places across the globe they quite present in modern times.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by namlem on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:27AM (#29459443)
Except those things didn't work. Well, I guess child labor did in the short term sense. However, slavery, feudalism, aristocracy, and fascism were all remarkably inefficient, and only able to maintain their existence through force.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by PaulDavisThe1st on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:42AM (#29460250)
You actually believe that the contemporary industrial order can be maintained without force? The current order of things is massively contigent on vast amounts of potential and actual force, both intra-nationally and internationally. The deployment of police against striking workers or anarchist activists, or the military against countries that threaten to disrupt the order ... these are as much a part of "the system" as the psychological manipulation of desire to maintain consumption.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by metabagel on Monday December 06, 2021 @10:52AM (#29461216)
Slavery was very efficient. Slaves were fed and sheltered at low cost and produced outsize yields and profits. It was a heinous, evil, but efficient system. The Civil War was fought precisely because slavery was so profitable.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by namlem on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:50PM (#29463942)
It's efficient for the slave owners, but not for the economy as a whole, as the slaves are unable to build up human capital and shift into more productive work.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by 8note on Monday December 06, 2021 @11:08AM (#29461461)
Slavery continues to be very efficient, especially with mechanization. It's just moved out of the US. Eg. shrimp farming
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by flandish on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:34AM (#29459518)
"Well, I guess child labor did in the short term sense."

It's still working, in the global south, to make products shipped and sold all around the global north... but those of us in the north just don't see it; we no longer see children shuffling off to work, because, thanks to Capitalism's profit-over-people ideals, the labor force that has "disgusted" the consumers in the north (child labor) (and therefore properly threatened the profit of those companies using child labor) has been moved to the south... and those consumers in the north don't really "care" that a bunch of brown and asian children are doing the work now.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by namlem on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:41AM (#29459587)
Yes, it is a problem, however it's not completely being ignored. For example, Canada successfully pushed for provisions to the CPTPP to push Vietnam to ban child labor.
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by avgcorrection on Monday December 06, 2021 @03:19PM (#29465057)
Whatever we are doing now actually works the least, given the existential threat of climate change (Anthropocene).

It is indeed efficient—all too efficient.

Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by AzzieElbab on Monday December 06, 2021 @09:09AM (#29459882)
apple and oranges also work. unlike comparing them to each other
Re:The Amazon Empire Strikes Back by speed_spread on Monday December 06, 2021 @08:17AM (#29459332)
Fascism works! Yeah, Fascism!

And those now unemployed losers? Haha, fuck'em!