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Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by wisty on Sunday December 05, 2021 @05:14AM (#29448136)
I love pointing out that if it becomes a serious currency banks would offer bitcoin-denominated loans (causing an increase in money supply); and if there's then a credit crunch the Fed could offer bitcoin-denominated (but unbacked) bonds.

It would be like the gold standard all over again.

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by Hjfrf on Sunday December 05, 2021 @05:41AM (#29448260)
Exchanges and stablecoin issuers are already involved in fractional reserve banking.

It's free money to them, why not?

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by Karunamon on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:30AM (#29449467)
There's no way to create "unbacked" bitcoin. You either have the transaction outputs pointing at your wallet address on the public blockchain, or you do not. Nobody wants or will accept FedBTC.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by astrange on Sunday December 05, 2021 @09:25PM (#29455517)
Celsius offers interest-bearing bitcoin accounts which they use to do margin lending, so this already exists.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by Karunamon on Monday December 06, 2021 @12:14AM (#29456416)
Said lending is denominated in stablecoins, not BTC. It's secured with a crypto, but that's not relevant. Unlike fractional reserve (which was the topic under discussion), this does not result in an increase to the money supply. No new BTC is created.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by kevinak on Sunday December 05, 2021 @07:00AM (#29448636)
I'm curious why you think this is the case. It's close to impossible (good luck convincing people to devalue their money) to increase the Bitcoin supply other than through minig.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by anchpop on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:32AM (#29449133)
Loans create “virtual money” in a way, which does contribute to inflation (in fact, controlling lending is a primary way the federal reserve controls inflation)
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by azth on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:36AM (#29456866)
This is why loans, except out of pure charity and nothing expected in return other than the principal, are immoral and cause chaos and destruction as we've seen time and time again. There's a reason Islam prohibits money lending with interest. Same with Judaism and Christianity before they got corrupted.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by kevinak on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:46AM (#29449212)
Yes, in the current fiat system that is the case, but there is no way for someone (a bank or government) to inflate the supply in world where Bitcoin is the currency everyone uses.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by wodenokoto on Sunday December 05, 2021 @05:05PM (#29453813)
No, you increase the amount of IOU's. I own 1 bitcoin, and everybody knows I'm good for my bitcoin (e.g., that is what a bank is. An institution everybody trusts to have money and they pay their dues.)

I know write you an IOU for 1 bitcoin, and you buy a car with that IOU, because anyone who owns that IOU can come to me and get their bitcoin, and everybody knows that I am good for my money, because that is the whole condition of this thought experiment.

I now write another IOU and give to my uncle, who buys a house with it, because everybody knows I'm good for it.

Now the money supply has increased, without minting new bitcoins, and this is exactly what happened to gold (which, as you know as well as anybody, you can't just print)

Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by azth on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:36AM (#29456871)
Once you ban money lending with interest, this is automatically solved.
Re:Is Web3 Bullshit? by azth on Monday December 06, 2021 @01:34AM (#29456855)
Would be great to go back to the gold standard.