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Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by vl on Friday December 03, 2021 @11:13PM (#29438639)
Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section.

But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind dislike change - in large corporations people need promotions, some entrepreneurial PM and couple devs identified the opportunity and went for it. Directors/VPs are too disengaged to truly understand impact of changes.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by causi on Saturday December 04, 2021 @01:13AM (#29439099)
I find the UX for Youtube Shorts to be so horrible I don't watch more than one video a session. It doesn't support landscape, and if you make the mistake of watching it to the end it starts over but with a darkened screen, forcing you to hit Back twice to get out of it. Who the hell watches a one minute video and then goes "gee, I really want to hear just the audio from that over again right now"?
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by nirui on Saturday December 04, 2021 @01:38AM (#29439184)
Of course it's horrible. It's a cheap copy of a Chinese app which itself is designed horribly. YouTube added the feature out of pure panic instead of try to create something better, the poor result is expectable.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by noahtallen on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:34AM (#29439994)
I mean, to be slightly pedantic, TicTok is not a horrible design. It is a genius design with a horrible purpose. It’s genius because it’s extremely successful at its core purpose: driving engagement metrics for ad revenue. In terms of raw engagement, an endless stream of videos injected into your brain is way better than something like YouTube, where you’re normally doing some “heavy lifting” to curate your own content via search or subscriptions. TikTok is probably the best implementation (so far) of an addicting content consumption platform. By “best,” I mean it has the best engagement metrics.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by bluecatswim on Saturday December 04, 2021 @04:29AM (#29439749)
Youtube Shorts is just a frontend, you can watch those videos with the same UI as regular youtube by changing the url from youtube.com/shorts/xyz to youtube.com/watch?v=xyz.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by propogandist on Saturday December 04, 2021 @11:37PM (#29446720)
>I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind dislike change

this isn't a small change, it's a major platform decision that impacts user experience, usability and engagement -- it's also received strong criticism from the community including from the original founder of Youtube [1] (see description), but they're pushing it through anyway

You're being too naïve about the corporate agendas behind this change.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQXAC9IVRw

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by vl on Saturday December 04, 2021 @11:45PM (#29446745)
I worked at Google and other big corps. Generally public attributes way deeper thinking process than actually happens when decisions are done. For YT as business it doesn't actually matter if dislike counter is visible or not: recommendation engine ML works on what people actually watch, like/dislike signal is secondary at best.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by colordrops on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:44AM (#29527846)
It doesn't have to be deep to be evil.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by peakaboo on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:46AM (#29440044)
Clearly you don't know about actual evil people in the world, and what they do from their high position in global companies or governments.

It's always been like they I think. Good people can't imagine just how evil people can be because it's so far from their own reality.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by colordrops on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:46AM (#29527855)
You don't even have to move to far up or around the social ladder/network to run into these people. They aren't that far. It's just that they might as well be a light year away if you never pierce your social bubble.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by netheril96 on Saturday December 04, 2021 @12:52AM (#29439021)
Not any different from TikTok original.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by unclebucknasty on Friday December 03, 2021 @11:22PM (#29438674)
>they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda

What is their political agenda?

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by willis936 on Friday December 03, 2021 @11:29PM (#29438699)
Money good. More of a religion, really.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by colordrops on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:48AM (#29527859)
the agenda of the politicians they are in bed width to get the laws and subsidies that support their business. In the case of SV, the politics of the DNC, which isn't really any better or worse than the RNC, but has it's own logo, theme, and set of shiboleths.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by sillysaurusx on Saturday December 04, 2021 @02:47AM (#29439437)
Shorts are awesome.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by drdeca on Saturday December 04, 2021 @03:31AM (#29439573)
the videos may be decent, and I do kind of appreciate there being a part for only rather short videos, but the UI is terrible. If you want to write a comment on one, it keeps playing the audio on loop. Who's idea was that? It's a terrible idea. Did they not do any user testing on it? Or is it in order to artificially inflate the viewcount numbers?
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by Dma54rhs on Saturday December 04, 2021 @09:23AM (#29440994)
But they are just tiktok content farms. Which is kinda ironic since its a Googles product.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by gremloni on Saturday December 04, 2021 @03:56AM (#29439648)
> blatantly and prominently push their political agenda

Only if you consider egalitarianism and diversity as political issues. To most of society they are universal values so it’s not contentious.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by depressedpanda on Saturday December 04, 2021 @04:27AM (#29439741)
Has it ever occurred to you that a person might be for egalitarian values and diversity without approving of the particular flavor of it being pushed by some factions?

It's not black and white.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by raxxorrax on Thursday December 09, 2021 @04:08AM (#29495313)
Having a universal opinion suggested to you is not diversity. Egalitarianism is probably the opposite of their algorithmic suggestions too. But if that is the case, you should remove voting completely.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by colordrops on Sunday December 12, 2021 @02:50AM (#29527867)
Wait are you saying YouTube's political agenda is egalitarianism and diveristy? Amazing.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by ralusek on Saturday December 04, 2021 @05:23AM (#29439939)
Well, they are political issues, because they don't exist in a vacuum and nuance exists.

For example, what do you mean by egalitarianism? Equality under the law? Well, Republicans/Liberals tend to agree with equality under the law, whereas Leftists and Gender/Racial Identitarians don't. California recently tried to repeal 1960s civil rights legislation preventing discrimination by race, precisely because they'd like to discriminate on the basis of race...because to them, egalitarianism doesn't mean equality under the law, but rather that the law should have weighted parameters necessary to transform societal outcomes into equal measures by arbitrary population, irrespective of those population inputs. Mind you, these are the people claiming to be egalitarian. As Ibram X. Kendi says himself, "The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination." To many (most?) people, that isn't egalitarianism...so it's political. It's clearly not a universal value when it's actually a bundle of competing values claiming the same word.

What about diversity? What, that diversity is just good? Is that the point? Because what exactly do you mean? What if there was a group of liberal people who had democratically made their society in accordance with what they felt aligned with liberalism, and were suddenly being told that a major influx of right wing evangelical Christians were to be allowed to come into their society (and be given exactly the same voting rights as them)? What about a group of frat bros? Is this the kind of diversity you mean? You just accept that diversity is indiscriminately a net positive? What exactly is the mechanisms that makes that be the case? Surely it matters what the cultures are that are being made to coexist, what degree to which they have common ground, what degree to which their respective strengths cover for their respective weaknesses, the rate at which the cultures can tolerate the encroachment of the other while still remaining cooperative rather than hostile, the degree to which each culture has its elements preserved independently of the product of the two cultures interacting, and the degree to which the cultures are encouraged to and are actively assimilating. I mean, this is just scratching the surface. There are many factors that determine whether or not diversity is actually a good thing, and it often comes down to magnitude and rates, which are seemingly unwelcome from that sort of conversation. And then there is the (now tired) distinction between superficial diversity and diversity of thought. There is the (racist) notion that diversity of skin color will result in diversity of thought, proposed by exactly the sort of people who actually detest diversity of thought, and just want to see different colored faces in the crowd. Again, this is just scratching the surface of this conversation.

So to say "it's not contentious" is pretty ridiculous, because these are completely loaded terms that mean completely different things to completely different people who ultimately have completely different goals for society. They're not universal values.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by gremloni on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:25PM (#29450893)
Diversity for these purposes is biologically defined. Different race, different sex are pretty much it. A difference in ideology within the same race or sex doesn’t doesn’t count as diverse as I’m using it.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by ralusek on Sunday December 05, 2021 @12:50PM (#29451105)
Ok, so, diversity of gender and race is just good, period? Do you mean that people should be represented by race and gender in accordance with their population makeup? i.e. 13% of doctors should be black, and 50% of nurses should be male? At what cost, and what makes you think that would be a good thing?

For one, Indian immigrants in the US disproportionately enter medicine, as do other Asians, in total constituting 17% of doctors. This is despite Asians constituting 6% of the population. 5% of doctors are black, despite constituting 13% of the population. In accordance with most advocating diversity for the sake of diversity, the reason for the disparity is assumed post hoc to have been due to discrimination...but why? It's as if the inputs have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the outcomes. In order to seek population parity, that would mean arbitrarily capping the number of Asian doctors, and arbitrarily pulling black doctors from a pool of applicants that literally doesn't exist.

Rather than a deontological approach, of perhaps simply ensuring that the hiring process is as blind and devoid of bias as possible, diversity advocates are instead interested in diversity for the sake of diversity.

Again, this is political beyond just "being a good person" or not.

Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by gremloni on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:36PM (#29451588)
Yes it’s just good for it’s own sake. The aim has to be the mitigation of problems that will arise from integrated living like that.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by ralusek on Sunday December 05, 2021 @01:49PM (#29451746)
This is fucking stupid.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by gremloni on Sunday December 05, 2021 @08:01PM (#29455010)
No you’re a dissembling idiot trying to wheedle your bigotry. This will go fine for a while but you’ll become a stone hearted shell in due time.
Re:YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of t... by ralusek on Monday December 06, 2021 @05:19AM (#29458042)
What bigotry, exactly?