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Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by johannes1234321 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @04:56PM (#29423274)
What about the creator who has a wife and family and passes away a day after publication in an accident?

Sure, that example is a bit constructed and imo the death+50 years or 100 years are way too long, but I see value a) in the fact that artists need some time to finance their work and b) that some degree of inheritance is good.

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by spaetzleesser on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:50PM (#29423936)
That is no different from somebody who has a regular job or starts a business and passes away too soon. There is no security for the family either. In the end the main beneficiaries are big corporations and not creators.
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by johannes1234321 on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:30PM (#29424470)
The difference to a salaried worker is that the salaried worker gets the money for the work they do more or less immediately. The artist typically gets the payment only long after completing the work.

(Self employed are in a complicated way in between)

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by dragonwriter on Friday December 03, 2021 @02:44AM (#29427634)
> The artist typically gets the payment only long after completing the work.

Not that long; IIRC, the vast majority of the money made for most artistic works is received within the first decade after creation; the share of artistic works returning much after that compared to before is small.

Sure, the works you’ve heard of are often exceptions to this, but that's because you are vastly more likely to be aware of things way out in the successful tail end of the distribution.

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by johannes1234321 on Friday December 03, 2021 @03:36AM (#29427904)
I would even assume less than a decade. A music piece gets attention on release, but only few are remembered a year later. Many books sell the first edition and aren't reprinted.

While for some it is the long tail which makes it viable.

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by ggrrhh_ta on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:12PM (#29426223)
I think that's why the post said "starts a business and passes away"; they have stopped being salaried and rely on the good prospects of the ownership of an own business to do well (from salaried, to "stock" owner of something that still has very little financial value or that the financial value that it has depends on the founder still being alive).
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by cma on Thursday December 02, 2021 @06:55PM (#29424742)
Why should a 70 year old's same work product be worth much less than a 20 year old's? It should just be a period of time, with possibly exponentially increasing renewal fees so funds go into the common good the more the public domain is deprived.
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by moffkalast on Friday December 03, 2021 @06:07AM (#29428692)
Because you can't take your work with you when you die, so it can't matter what happens to it and should be considered common good afterwards. I'd say it's actually worth more, to humanity as a whole.
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by dllthomas on Friday December 03, 2021 @11:15AM (#29431614)
> so it can't matter what happens to it

Even ignoring inheritance this is wrong, because you can sell it to someone who might outlive you, and spend the proceeds while you're still alive. The amount you can sell it for is going to be much less if there is substantial risk that the property goes away soon after the sale.

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by cma on Friday December 03, 2021 @05:07PM (#29436243)
Think about this in the scenerio of e.g. a publishing advance. Just means older people will get paid less, publishers will dedicate less to marketing their work, etc.
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by d110af5ccf on Friday December 03, 2021 @02:18AM (#29427475)
This actually makes a lot of sense. If Disney was volunteering to pay hundreds of millions per year in additional taxes voluntarily ...
Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by NoSorryCannot on Thursday December 02, 2021 @05:44PM (#29423873)
What does the average person have to do to provide their family this kind of security?

I don't think copyright needs to do double duty as life insurance and it is mostly not helpless widows that are benefitting from it.

Re:What will enter the public domain in 2022 by ggrrhh_ta on Thursday December 02, 2021 @10:08PM (#29426188)
And what about the creator that has a husband and family and passes away a day after publication in an accident?

The same rules that apply to a survivor's pension could apply to copyright, although I don't think that is a good solution myself - I think it will get messy with copyright transfers made in life, decisions made by owners/publishers/media/regulators that might de-prioritize the printing/marketing of that copyrighted material, etc. Even during the life the copyright creator, copyright rights are no substitute for a survivor's pension. In line with another answer below:

"What does the average person have to do to provide their family this kind of security? I don't think copyright needs to do double duty as life insurance and it is mostly not helpless widows [widowers] that are benefitting from it."