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Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by goatcode on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:15PM (#29384667)
If this is an argument that all TVs are smart TVs, then all TVs with an IR control input device are smart TVs (because universal remotes).
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by isoprophlex on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:21PM (#29384726)
No of course not. The moment you - possibly accidentally - grant the fucker an internet connection over BT, it starts to rat on you. However briefly.

Aything with an IR remote does not betrays it's users like that (through the remote)

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by gopalv on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:29PM (#29384839)
> grant the fucker an internet connection over BT, it starts to rat on you

Or it does that by itself, with a mesh network that your neighbours have setup by accident with their Alexa or Ring - Amazon Sidewalk is an amazing end-run around your own firewall rules.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by isoprophlex on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:02PM (#29385250)
Thanks for giving me another invention to be angry about, haha.

Makes you wonder about the opportunities for poisoning of Sidewalk networks, just to get some petty revenge.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by clairity on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:18PM (#29385414)
that's not petty, that's downright patriotic. we have an inalienable right to privacy, security, and liberty, and absolutely no obligation to let companies (or governments) invade or curtail those rights.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by DaiPlusPlus on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:29PM (#29386118)
> we have an inalienable right to privacy, security, and liberty

I assume you’re referring to the US constitution. The rights you’re referring to constrain the government, not companies. You do not have a legal right to privacy w.r.t. your TV spying on you.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by clairity on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:41PM (#29386242)
no, not just the constitution, it's inalienable because it's intrinsic to being civilized people, not because some piece of paper says so. on the contrary, companies have no right to spy on us.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by DaiPlusPlus on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:47PM (#29386307)
Yet they seem to be able to keep on doing it just fine.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by clairity on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:58PM (#29386445)
so people still kicking dogs makes it ok?

note that a right isn't a passive trait, but an active assertion. every time we give in to what's easy, we lose a little bit of our rights. you maintain rights by speaking out and living by them. we wouldn't need a second amendment were that not the case (n.b., i don't personally own nor desire a gun).

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by krustymeathead on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:36PM (#29384920)
I wonder when home security setups will start including a Faraday cage, at least for certain rooms or areas.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by bick_nyers on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:31PM (#29385549)
If you build it into all of the exterior facing walls, you can use a cell range extender to tunnel a data connection inside your house, and also similarly with a Wi-Fi AP connected via Ethernet, in the event that you want Wi-Fi signal outside your home as well.

Actually, when I build my next house in 5-10 years I think I might do exactly this

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by vineyardmike on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:53PM (#29385744)
Not gunna lie, i'm looking at building/remodelling a home in the next few years, and i'm seriously considering foiling the walls of some rooms just to build a faraday cage.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by rightbyte on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:59PM (#29385216)
It seems way simpler to short the wifi antenna or something than to redo the walls? Bluetooth is probably harder to fix though, if the TV has that.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by snerbles on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:20PM (#29384723)
IR is line-of-sight, and the receiver can be blocked with a small piece of electrical tape.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by m00x on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:45PM (#29385034)
Same for bluetooth, just build a faraday cage around your TV and you're good!

/s

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by kazinator on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:01PM (#29385842)
Only if it's grounded, so that's a step up from the tape.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by the_mitsuhiko on Monday November 29, 2021 @03:53PM (#29385146)
Bluetooth can be turned off in the settings.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by Volundr on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:45PM (#29386290)
It can't. Which is sort of the point of my comment. If it could I'd have no problem with this feature.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by Volundr on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:52PM (#29386358)
I mean sure, it's (probably) not an internet connection, but Bluetooth and an IR remote aren't really comparable. Bluetooth exchanges information in both directions, IR does not. Bluetooth works from hundreds of feet away (or more) with no line of site, an IR remote does not. Bluetooth allows for broadcasting arbitrary content to my TV, an IR remote can only change the channel. Given the relative complexities I'm also far more concerned about a security vulnerability existing in the never updated random Bluetooth module/drivers in the TV than an IR receiver that emulates button presses.