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Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by squiffsquiff on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:09PM (#29383039)
You know that some devices essentially "require" network connectivity for initial setup? E.g. https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/tv/smart-tv-set-up-witho...
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by squarefoot on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:12PM (#29383869)
Not just that. Broadband connection for things will become so cheap in the future that it could become essentially free one day so it can be subsidized by the businesses depending on it. 5G aside, It is believable that in a few years most home broadband routers, even tightly closed ones, could open a channel anyway using a fraction of the bandwidth for exclusive use by devices so that only closed source drivers will be able to instruct WiFi chips to see and use it. The catch being that there won't be any means of preventing the TV or other devices from going online, short of opening them and removing physically the network hardware. I believe we badly need alternative (Open Source, auditable, trustworthy) operating systems for smart TVs too. Next will be cars, fridges, etc. Pretty much everything.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by khedoros1 on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:24PM (#29383247)
Yeah...mine shows a nag about not accepting the online agreements, connecting the TV to the network, etc. Hasn't stopped me from using it as a display for the inputs I was using on my previous non-smart TV.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by jjoonathan on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:33PM (#29383361)
Ew.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by johnklos on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:26PM (#29384054)
The statement, "just don't connect it to the network" still stands. If something requires a connection, return it. It's clearly anti-consumer and will do nefarious things (which we already know Samsung does).
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by nerdponx on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @09:15AM (#29392290)
And then you won't have a TV, and Samsung will keep making these abusive TVs without giving one single fuck about your return.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by rapsey on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:11PM (#29383068)
So give it a network connection for initial setup then take it away?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by squiffsquiff on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:18PM (#29383171)
So you'll still have all the adverts, they just don't update?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by flatiron on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:28PM (#29383296)
I had to do that. My Samsung couldn’t leave “demo mode” or whatever without going online first and would restart itself every hour. I just let it register and blocked it from coming out my router. It stays quiet like that. I believe removing the wifi showed some nag when booting that I had to deal with. Real scummy stuff.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by mindslight on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:34PM (#29383367)
Buy it from a place with free returns. Then if it insists on showing cached ads after the network is pulled (or any other undesirable behavior), just return it. This won't help you find a better model, but it will save you from needing to research these obscure details in too much depth.

. o O ( I wonder if some hostile antifeatures go away if you buy a TV in the US but then activate it from an EU IP address ).

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by rbanffy on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:28PM (#29383295)
> they just don't update?

That's a cursed scenario...

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by danudey on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:42PM (#29383471)
Run it through pihole to block the ad networks? Or just whitelist hostnames/addresses one by one until the setup works.

Not exactly a user-friendly option, but an option nonetheless.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by bee_rider on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:28PM (#29383294)
Annoying, but at least it isn't feeding your information in to the weird ad-driven panopticon (we'll leave that to the content providers!)
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by gmadsen on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:59PM (#29384458)
dns block it at the router
Re:Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions? by jitix on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:01PM (#29383745)
Yeah I was afraid my new TV would do that. I was planning to return it if it did because I had bad experience with Vizio and TCL smart TVs breaking updates before (I'm an Apple TV user).

I can confirm that Roku firmware works great without the internet and doesn't nag. I just turn it on and switch to my Apple TV.