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Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by dmart on Sunday November 28, 2021 @09:56PM (#29375831)
Installed this and it's great.

That said, it's embarrassing how many iOS extensions I have installed just to work around today's shitty websites. AdGuard to make the web usable, AMPlosion to avoid AMP nonsense, Open in Apollo to avoid mobile Reddit dark pattens, now this (which I installed because YouTube's new embed widget starts playing on touch-start instead of touch-release, so it triggers while scrolling...)

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by musicale on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:34AM (#29377890)
> it's embarrassing how many iOS extensions I have installed just to work around today's shitty websites

The user-hostile design of web sites in 2021 is appalling. Even simple text articles or blog posts have become horrible. I was just reading a blog post linked from HN which featured 3 different popups: two modals and a modeless sidebar popup that follows you as you scroll.

No, I don't want to subscribe to your email newsletter.

No, I don't want to sign up for a course or webinar or some service or whatever.

No, I don't want to know more about something other than what I'm trying to read on this page while you keep interrupting me and telling me I should be doing something else.

(And that was a site that lacked the typical annoying cookie popup – maybe it actually respected the "do not track" feature? That would be a first.)

Popups were despised by users to such an extent that web browsers built in an option to block them. The sensible response to such a clear user preference would have been to abandon popups, but instead web designers came up with a way to work around the popup blocking feature by using modal javascript panes and sliding overlays to obscure the page content.

Autoplaying video was similarly viewed as obnoxious and battery draining, so web browsers built in a feature to block it; web designers responded by doing their best to defeat that feature as well, and it seems to be an ongoing arms race.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by ljm on Monday November 29, 2021 @06:57AM (#29378797)
Back in the day, when someone asked how to build a website and attract visitors, the universal answer was 'Content is King', to the extent it was basically a meme.

Obviously that was before 'Engagement is King', where content became second-class and Google Tag Manager empowered marketing teams to load up each page with whatever new widget or analytics or advertising system they could get their hands on.

I've been maintaining my own site and I actually enjoy building it in the most barebones way possible. It's just HTML and CSS. Any time I feel tempted to add any JS I spend the time on making a noscript equivalent as best as I can. I'd love to see a swing back to that style of web dev again (keeping it separate from web app dev).

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by jacquesm on Monday November 29, 2021 @08:37AM (#29379712)
Ah, and then the 'allow push notifications', 'allow this website to access your location' and so on. Utterly ridiculous for just a visitor to go after them in such an aggressive way, and a surefire way to get me to never visit that particular website again.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by Hakashiro on Monday November 29, 2021 @10:42AM (#29381078)
https://www.no-thanks-extension.com

Can't recommend it enough. There's no extension for Safari on iOS yet but it's so worth it.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by nicbou on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:45AM (#29378311)
In the current state of things, having a straightforward website is a competitive advantage. There's a reason I prefer StackOverflow links and completely avoid Pinterest.

The website I live from counters all of these patterns. Nothing appears above or in the content, only below it. There are no popups, no calls to actions and no GDPR notices. It's just one page of uninterrupted text. Everything else appears under the article. This has worked really well for me.

The way I see it, if your business model involves adding friction, you're doing something wrong.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by the8472 on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:12AM (#29378121)
> Autoplaying video was similarly viewed as obnoxious and battery draining, so web browsers built in a feature to block it; web designers responded by doing their best to defeat that feature as well, and it seems to be an ongoing arms race.

Browser vendors have just given up and let mute videos autoplay because otherwise the websites would show even less efficient gif/apng/canvas animation/manual slideshows instead.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by vultour on Monday November 29, 2021 @08:46AM (#29379796)
I refuse to believe those newsletter popups ever get any interaction apart from clueless people who think you need to fill them out so they go away.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by digitalengineer on Monday November 29, 2021 @10:00AM (#29380604)
It's sad but it works: "Whether you personally love it or hate it, the truth is, sticking a big ole pop-up in their face can be one of the most effective ways to jolt their attention & grab their email for a return visit."

In Defense Of The Popup https://cxl.com/blog/popup-defense/ (yes, page has a popup).

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by acdha on Monday November 29, 2021 @09:30AM (#29380242)
I’m pretty sure the process works like this:

1. Someone makes a good newsletter and reports high engagement

2. Anecdotes circulate in the pre-alchemy world of marketing

3. Everyone tells their boss they’ll get great engagement if they launch a newsletter, omitting the “if we do the hard part of producing good content”

4. Nobody remembers that if they’d put good content on their website people would have read it there, too.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by ugh123 on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:50PM (#29386339)
Add to that "X website would like to know your location" which Chrome seems to have built in the most annoying way possible for users.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by LeoPanthera on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:43PM (#29376126)
Don't forget TrackerZapper to strip tracking codes from copied URLs: https://rknight.me/apps/tracker-zapper/
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by jchw on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:15AM (#29376948)
Stopthemadness should also help you to avoid AMP, but also does a bunch of other stuff. Might be worth a look.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by drcongo on Monday November 29, 2021 @06:42AM (#29378680)
I had to disable Stopthemadness because while it does do some really useful things, it also caused a lot of problems.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by jandorn on Monday November 29, 2021 @07:18AM (#29378948)
I run it with recommend options + Show video controls and Stop autoplay and I have no issues other than occasional glitches because those two advanced options. What problems do you have?
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by drcongo on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @05:42AM (#29390803)
I was struggling to remember when I posted because it's been a while since I turned it off, but one big one that I do remember was how often it would break 2FA forms that split the inputs into number pairs or similar. To be fair, those forms are stupid, but I have to use enough of them that getting a popup telling me it had truncated the paste to just the first two characters, making me close that popup, paste the number somewhere else and then copy them two at a time (or remember it) was enough to drive me insane on its own.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by jandorn on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @07:47AM (#29391530)
I started using Apple’s built in 2FA and I have no issues. It’s get filled in automatically. Didn’t had issues before either when I just copied and paste code manually.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by specialist on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:21PM (#29382433)
Exactly. My biggest deterrent to trying Vinegar is time spent farting around with all the extensions, not price. eg Figuring out if Vinegar plays nicely with 1Blocker.

At some point, browsers will switch strategies from mitigations to scraping.

I'd LOVE for an RSS Reader (like NetNewsWire) to prefetch the "reader view" of linked web pages. Instead of malware blockers curating zillions of filters and patches, just create scripts to scrape the top 100 websites. And then allow sharing of user supplied scrapers.

Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by artdigital on Monday November 29, 2021 @04:54AM (#29377997)
Super Agent to automatically consent to cookie banners with whatever you set it up with (eg. functional cookies only)
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by rolleiflex on Sunday November 28, 2021 @11:31PM (#29376391)
Also bought it and works great. Minor caveat is that it seems to be unable to get a 4K stream, so it’s capped to 1080p. Likely this is a YouTube limitation though.
Re:Vinegar: Safari extension that replaces YouTube embeds wi... by LeoPanthera on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:35AM (#29377047)
This is probably because YouTube exclusively uses VP9 for 4K streams, instead of HEVC.