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Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by PaulDavisThe1st on Sunday November 28, 2021 @06:53PM (#29374580)
Fair enough then. I'm wrong, for amzn anyway.
Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by version_five on Sunday November 28, 2021 @07:21PM (#29374802)
I think to some extent you and the original post you replied to are both probably right.

There is not some painstaking language optimization designed to trick users. But there is not a filter for clarity either, so the A/B testing naturally favors "dark patterns" - it's not malicious design, it's just unintended consequences, and gives the impression that Amazon et al are deliberately hostile when they are really just ignorant

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by stcredzero on Sunday November 28, 2021 @08:01PM (#29375101)
the A/B testing naturally favors "dark patterns" - it's not malicious design, it's just unintended consequences

Could there be such a thing as "meta-malicious design?" Bad consequences aren't executed directly, but conditions are put in place that cause the emergence of bad consequences.

I suspect, if AI ever does away with Homo sapiens it will be by convincing us not to breed by changing our incentive structures.

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by GekkePrutser on Sunday November 28, 2021 @11:11PM (#29376275)
> I suspect, if AI ever does away with Homo sapiens it will be by convincing us not to breed by changing our incentive structures.

I think it'll be by just sitting back and waiting a few decades :)

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by stcredzero on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:09PM (#29383037)
I think it'll be by just sitting back and waiting a few decades :)

The sci-fi tinfoil hat interpretation of this: It's already here, or at least its cronies and enablers, and the plan has already been put into effect.

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by teddyh on Monday November 29, 2021 @06:10AM (#29378458)
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

— John Stuart Mill, 1867

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by stcredzero on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:07PM (#29383005)
I'm talking about the good people not even knowing what's happening, until they engage in data analysis.
Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by kingcharles on Tuesday November 30, 2021 @09:11PM (#29399863)
Also, humans are weird, so A/B testing, if taken to its logical conclusion, will produce surreal results. What makes a human buy something is really not that well understood, IMO.

For instance, I was in charge of design for a mortgage lender's web site. I begged my manager to let me try (for lulz) an A/B test replacing the photo of the woman call centre operator next to the quote form with a photo of a Labrador retriever wearing a headset (you knew he was a professional because he also wore glasses and a necktie). The dog form consistently outperformed the woman by 19% but we had to roll it back after a couple of weeks because.. well.. dog.

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by random314 on Monday November 29, 2021 @01:34AM (#29377038)
It's TRUE for all large web tech companies. Everything is launched via A/B tests. Your performance evaluation as an engineer is dictated by how much your teams goal metrics moved thanks to your changes(impact measured by A/B tests).

At any given time, a single engineer might have a couple of A/B tests running. That's the single biggest engineering change I have seen in the last 20 years.

A/B tests are now crazy simple to set up; just click a few buttons and decide how much traffic to send. The major con is that it leaves a lot of dead code behind when the best of N A/B test arms are launched; the (N-1) unsuccessful arms stick around as dead code.

Re:“The Pirate Bay can’t be stopped,” co-founder says by vhgyu75e6u on Sunday November 28, 2021 @07:34PM (#29374906)
The other scenario is that that text is the first iteration and gave a positive KPI, if there are enough complains related to the structure of the text and is linked to increase in refunds, the team in charge would A/B another iteration targeting refund rate as KPI (although that might be difficult to correlate)