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Re:Update on Omicron by ant6n on Sunday November 28, 2021 @06:21PM (#29374298)
There do exist viruses that have been virtually eradicated with vaccines, even if they weren't 100% effective (cf Polio). We probably won't eradicate Corona with the first gen vaccines, but that isn't the point anyway. The point ist that we should reduce it enough so that mutations are less likely.
Re:Update on Omicron by DeusExMachina on Sunday November 28, 2021 @06:26PM (#29374359)
Polio was a different kind of virus, though, with a different kind of vaccine. We never got a vaccine for other coronaviruses either, it's unlikely that we will get it for this.

Also, there is solid literature on the fact that vaccines during an epidemic cause stress that induces the virus to mutate. https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org

Re:Update on Omicron by supernovae on Sunday November 28, 2021 @10:22PM (#29376006)
None of Geerts papers are peer reviewed or based on scientific research/data.

Stress doesn't cause mutations. Mutations happen because of genetics and whatever mutations increase their suvival end up being the mutations prevelent in society.

What viruses need though are willing hosts who aren't vaccinated who carry the virus, allow it to thrive and mutate and more importantly - those who spread it.

Blaming vaccinations is like blaming immune systems when the real issue is people who carry the disease and allow it to continue to spread.

Re:Update on Omicron by DeusExMachina on Monday November 29, 2021 @12:21PM (#29382440)
> None of Geerts papers are peer reviewed or based on scientific research/data.

They have an extensive list of peer reviewed studies from plenty of other scientists:

https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/blog/supportive...

Re:Update on Omicron by supernovae on Monday November 29, 2021 @02:48PM (#29384322)
Go read all those papers, none of them support the claims that the vaccination accelerates or causes mutation.

It's unfortunate scientists love to stake a claim on trying to win a huge argument when they can't see the forrest from the trees and they exclude as much evidence as they cherry pick.

We've defeated things before with immunization. No one ran around saying get the whooping caugh because if you get a shot it will mutate...

Re:Update on Omicron by DeusExMachina on Friday December 03, 2021 @05:31AM (#29428512)
> none of them support the claims that the vaccination accelerates or causes mutation.

Says who? Vanden Bossche has been a credentialed expert in vaccines for 20 years. I'll take his opinion over some HN comment.

> No one ran around saying get the whooping caugh because if you get a shot it will mutate

That was never his argument.

Re:Update on Omicron by himinlomax on Monday November 29, 2021 @05:45AM (#29378312)
The main known facilitators for those virus mutations are on one hand the number of contaminations (particularly cross-species but not only), and on the other when the infection lingers in one individual due to a compromised immune system. Considering how at its worst the vaccine reduces the length of the infection, it's entirely implausible that it would also increase the likelihood of mutations. Not impossible, but very implausible. Is there a precedent for this kind of things?