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Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by yosito on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:36PM (#29353300)
From all of the experts I'm following, I'm hearing that it will take a couple of weeks to determine if this variant is able to evade vaccines or if it is more severe. What they do know now is that it has a lot of mutations and highly increased transmissibility. Sounds like governments and public health professionals should be on alert, but the average person should focus on getting vaxxed and wearing masks.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by crate_barre on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:47PM (#29353418)
This variant will be global within those few weeks. It’s like we don’t learn about the speed in which all this happened. Travel restrictions to and from South Africa need to happen yesterday.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by ogogmad on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:50PM (#29353440)
Slow down, mate. The WHO would like a word with you: (all quotes from the Guardian)

  - The World Health Organization cautioned countries against hastily imposing travel restrictions linked to Omicron, saying they should take a “risk-based and scientific approach”. It would take several weeks to determine the variant’s transmissibility and the effectiveness of vaccines and therapeutics against it, WHO spokesperson Christian Lindmeier said, noting that 100 sequences of the variant have been reported so far. People should continue to wear masks whenever possible, avoid large gatherings, ventilate rooms and maintain hand hygiene, he added.

  - South Africa condemned the decision of other countries to impose travel restrictions as ‘unjustified’. The health minister, Joe Phaahla, Phaahla said South Africa was acting with transparency, and that travel bans introduced by a number of countries against southern African nations are “completely against the norms and standards” of the WHO. Phaahla called on all South Africans over the age of 12 to come forward and receive the vaccine, which he said remained a “major bulwark” against infection and severe illness.

  - South Africa’s president Cyril Ramaphosa will discuss reimposing lockdown restrictions at a meeting on Sunday, as the country scrambles to assess the potential for Omicron to unleash a deadly fourth wave. As I’ve mentioned above, the government appealed for people to get jabbed as soon as possible - only around 35% of South Africans have been vaccinated.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by tfehring on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:56PM (#29353516)
Of course the WHO and South African government oppose travel bans. That doesn't mean imposing those bans isn't in other countries' best interest. Taking a risk-averse approach in a highly risky and uncertain situation isn't inconsistent with the WHO's recommendation to take a "risk-based and scientific approach."

I'm not saying that restricting travel is necessarily the right approach (though it probably is), but nothing in your comment really strikes me as compelling evidence that it's the wrong approach.

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by ogogmad on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:04PM (#29353578)
I didn't say it was the wrong approach. I'm actually exasperated by what the WHO and South Africa are saying. They're saying we're not supposed to exercise any precaution until they've waited two days to decide whether to impose a lockdown against a variant which has (with current knowledge) a high chance of evading previously acquired immunity. The variant is highly transmissible, and infections can grow rapidly in that period. This might lead to a reckoning for the WHO.

> Taking a risk-averse approach in a highly risky and uncertain situation isn't inconsistent with the WHO's recommendation to take a "risk-based and scientific approach."

South Africa interpreted the WHO's statements as being against imposing travel bans. The first sentence of your comment implies you agree that that's what they meant. It's either that, or the WHO's statements are meaningless verbiage.

This looks like the events of early 2020 repeating.

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by 908B64B197 on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:30PM (#29353787)
It would be great if the WHO was focused on saving lives and preventing infections rather than pushing China's agenda [0].

[0] https://www.foxnews.com/media/who-china-taiwan-interview

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by pasabagi on Friday November 26, 2021 @05:40PM (#29354984)
Ah, fox. Finally, a reputable source!
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by cercatrova on Friday November 26, 2021 @05:29PM (#29354896)
Fox News is not a credible news source, they themselves termed it as entertainment that no reasonable person would take as news.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by 908B64B197 on Friday November 26, 2021 @06:01PM (#29355183)
That's an interesting opinion.

I linked fox because it was the first link to pop up but the same news was picked by several other national and international outlets across the political spectrum.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/senior-who-adv...

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/who-taiwan-bruce-aylward

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8172031/WHO-officia...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52088167

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Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by dang on Saturday November 27, 2021 @03:10PM (#29362936)
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. Unsubstantive/flamebait comments like this are among the things the site guidelines ask you to avoid.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by yosito on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:17PM (#29353679)
I wouldn't be surprised if the variant is already global. There is a known case in Belgium from November 11th. Travel restrictions are mainly political at this point.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by ogogmad on Friday November 26, 2021 @03:20PM (#29353698)
What about testing and tracing? And doing travel bans.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by yosito on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:08PM (#29354139)
What evidence do you have that travel bans stop covid?
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by ogogmad on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:16PM (#29354201)
Infectious diseases spread by human contact. Reducing contact between infected and uninfected people should therefore slow down spread. We can use this time to gather information about this variant in order to make better decisions about how to deal with it. The precautionary principle dictates that we act by assuming that a very bad outcome is likely until we get more information.

A very bad outcome (which we don't have enough information to rule out) is hospitals being overwhelmed with sick people, so that some patients are left untreated, with a greatly increased rate of dying as a result. The reason this is possible is because there are a large number of mutations in this variant, which might allow it to bypass people's immunity. This can make immunity acquired through previous infection or vaccination ineffective.

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by yosito on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:53PM (#29354545)
Last time I checked, there were infected people on both sides of the border.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by ogogmad on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:54PM (#29354561)
Which border? What infections? I'm not living in Belgium.
Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by spookthesunset on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:28PM (#29354305)
There is none. There is scant evidence that any of these NPI's do anything at all besides give the appearance that government is "taking this serious".

People that claim this kind of stuff "just makes sense" aren't taking into consideration the second order effects on human behavior that might make things even worse. For example closing outdoor parks probably made things much worse because people would meet inside instead...

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by threeseed on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:52PM (#29354531)
This comment is simply wrong.

Health professionals were factoring in second order effects. The problem is that there isn't a wealth of research or evidence which shows which option is more likely to work. So a lot of at least in the early days was trial/error.

What would do know is that increased mobility translates to increased cases. And so opening parks whilst much safer than being inside results in increased mobility as people need transport to/from those parks.

Re:Ask HN: How worrying is the new Covid variant? by threeseed on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:49PM (#29354511)
In Australia at least we had mandatory hotel quarantine for all foreign arrivals with many of them being infectious.

If you didn't have that quarantine they would be out in the wild infecting people. Not what you want when many parts of our country e.g. Western Australia had zero community transmissions.

Without some sort of travel bans there is no way you could manage that level of inflow.