Re:Data comparing US gun culture with the world
by anandrew on Friday November 26, 2021 @01:09PM
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Even before clicking on the story, I knew there would be a "gun-related homicide" vs. "gun ownership" graph, and not an "all homicide" vs. "gun ownership" graph. Do we want to minimize all homicide, or only gun homicide, and don't care about people killed by other means? (It goes without saying that any human right that increases homicide rate should be abolished /s)
Re:Data comparing US gun culture with the world
by WarOnPrivacy on Friday November 26, 2021 @01:44PM
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Almost a third of US adults believe there would be less crime if more people owned guns. However, multiple studies show that where people have easy access to firearms, gun-related deaths tend to be more frequent
This is frustrating because it dangles the question 'is there less crime where there is very high gun ownership' but then follows with the answer to a different question, 'do more guns lead to more gun deaths'.
What would be helpful is a comparison of US's crime levels in the presence of high gun ownership with all other countries. From there we could add on other mitigating factors to compare.
Also, comparing gun violence with gun ownership is still just examining a single facet. I'd like to see mass-shootings compared with non-gun mass murders. I'd like to see guns deaths compared with other weapons.
It is on the table I could become anti-gun. The pro-gun movement is nearly obnoxious enough to drive me there on it's own. However, I need certain info, if I'm going to take an anti-gun position with conviction.
Re:Data comparing US gun culture with the world
by proc0 on Saturday November 27, 2021 @04:52PM
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Not in America for multiple reasons from historical reasons (centuries of people owning guns) to logistics like the country being too large to control gun trafficking because we can't control the southern border and people just cross over, so trafficking is guaranteed.
Re:Data comparing US gun culture with the world
by WarOnPrivacy on Friday November 26, 2021 @02:05PM
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Regarding mass shootings, Zeynep Tufekci once led a charge for news orgs to stop auto-include the shooters' name, when covering an event.
While brilliant, I feel that's only part of a solution. I believe years of very loud, very frequent shooting coverage are drumming siren-calls to the next shooters.
We've never tried treating shootings as local events (arguably they are) while muting and minimizing the coverage of the event and yearly memorials.
The missing data: https://diegobasch.com/homicides-vs-gun-ownership
And more on typical data manipulation in gun debates: https://hwfo.substack.com/p/everybodys-lying-about-the-link-...
This is frustrating because it dangles the question 'is there less crime where there is very high gun ownership' but then follows with the answer to a different question, 'do more guns lead to more gun deaths'.
What would be helpful is a comparison of US's crime levels in the presence of high gun ownership with all other countries. From there we could add on other mitigating factors to compare.
Also, comparing gun violence with gun ownership is still just examining a single facet. I'd like to see mass-shootings compared with non-gun mass murders. I'd like to see guns deaths compared with other weapons.
It is on the table I could become anti-gun. The pro-gun movement is nearly obnoxious enough to drive me there on it's own. However, I need certain info, if I'm going to take an anti-gun position with conviction.
disclaimers: gun agnostic, US
Less guns -> Less crime
This is a matter of logic, not statistics.
Source: the UK
While brilliant, I feel that's only part of a solution. I believe years of very loud, very frequent shooting coverage are drumming siren-calls to the next shooters.
We've never tried treating shootings as local events (arguably they are) while muting and minimizing the coverage of the event and yearly memorials.