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Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by roody15 on Friday November 26, 2021 @10:11AM (#29350884)
"This will only be solved or contained once we vax the developing world"

Careful here. There is no guarantee that once 95% of the world is vaccinated that this will be solved. Respiratory viral infections are notorious for mutating and spreading regardless of vaccines or treatment.

IMO its important not to simplify the situation and say if group A just did this than everything would be okay. Its quite possible this virus is simply here to stay and a multi array of treatments will hopefully continue to improve outcomes.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by zpeti on Friday November 26, 2021 @10:13AM (#29350911)
> IMO its important not to simplify the situation and say if group A just did this than everything would be okay.

Well said. And at this point we should pray this doesn't turn into a Marek's disease replica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek%27s_disease#Prevention

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Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by dang on Friday November 26, 2021 @04:30PM (#29354321)
Your account has been using HN primarily for ideological and political battle. That's not what this site is for, and we ban accounts that do it, regardless of what they're battling for. We have to, because it destroys this place for its intended purpose.

I'm not going to ban you right now, because I did notice a few previous comments that weren't doing this—though I had to look pretty hard for them. If you keep this up, though, we're going to have to ban you, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by ahdh8f4hf4h8 on Friday November 26, 2021 @11:52AM (#29351826)
The trouble is the authorities won't learn anything - many could care less about science or history, they just care about power and influence.

I do agree that more dissent and conflicting expert opinions were needed in this crisis. Especially dangerous is the idea that "if only everyone did X", then all will be well. This is rarely true.

I think the government's role should be to transmit the best possible information available at the moment, give some strong recommendations and incentives (and change them when new information comes to light), but never use force and coercion. It simply doesn't work in the long run.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by jmnicolas on Friday November 26, 2021 @11:00AM (#29351334)
> There is no guarantee that once 95% of the world is vaccinated that this will be solved. Respiratory viral infections are notorious for mutating and spreading regardless of vaccines or treatment.

Especially true since the virus lives in animals, so it will never be eradicated.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by londons_explore on Friday November 26, 2021 @11:17AM (#29351476)
96% of mammel biomass are humans, pets, or farm animals.

We could vaccinate all of those. If we needed to do the last 4% of wild animals, I'm betting we could vaccinate more than half of those too.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by jmnicolas on Friday November 26, 2021 @01:14PM (#29352552)
We have trouble managing rats infestation in certain zones, good luck vaccinating them as fast as they reproduce!
Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by Mountain_Skies on Friday November 26, 2021 @11:27AM (#29351579)
Does the collective mass matter? Seems like the important number would be the number of mammals, not their mass.
Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by dredmorbius on Friday November 26, 2021 @12:43PM (#29352271)
Biomass is a rough proxy for prevalence.

There are remarkably few mamallian species with > 1m population. Virtually all are grazing animals, sea mammals, or rodents.

I'm not sure what species SARS-COV-2 is compatible with, though I've mostly heard of animals > 5kg mass (e.g., domesticated cats, dogs, deer, wildcats), with the very notable exception of bats.

The virus has been detected in 20--40% of sampled deer in the US in multiple states, which is a particularly bad sign.

If it's gained foothold in rodent populations ... well, it could be around for a while.

From April of 2021:

Results obtained from experimental studies indicate that animal species such as cats, ferrets, raccoon dogs, cynomolgus macaques, rhesus macaques, white-tailed deer, rabbits, Egyptian fruit bats, and Syrian hamsters are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection, and that cat-to-cat and ferret-to-ferret transmission can take place via contact and air. However, natural infections of SARS-CoV-2 have been reported only in pet dogs and cats, tigers, lions, snow leopards, pumas, and gorillas at zoos, and farmed mink and ferrets. Even though human-to-animal spillover has been reported at several instances, SARS-CoV-2 transmission from animals-to-humans has only been reported from mink-to-humans in mink farms.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8128218/?report...

That's not to say that broader transmission isn't possible (the abstract doesn't mention deer, and I'm aware they're found to be infected). The science is still being established.

Re:Tracking Covid-19 variant B.1.1.529 by tzs on Friday November 26, 2021 @10:22AM (#29350996)
He is making an A is a necessary condition for B claim, not an A is a sufficient condition for B claim.