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Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by Spivak on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @07:38PM (#29336969)
Ehhhh like I get where you’re coming from but it would be fantastically bad policy for a nation to treat housing like this. A person’s primary residence needs to play by different rules if you’re gonna crash the market semi purposely.

When the forces that cause the market to crash are the feds monetary policy it’s a tough sell that it’s actually a free market. To first order individuals should be able to purchase shelter assured that it’s fairly priced. The concerns should be like “the foundation is cracked” not “JP Morgan is pumping house prices.”

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by 01100011 on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @08:04PM (#29337139)
If you cause Bob's house to go back to being $200k then it only screws the Bobs. It doesn't screw the Mary's who bought at or below $200k. Your logic is what gets us into these messes, because it removes moral hazard by telling speculators that housing is special and therefore immune to risk.

Of course it's not a free market. Has America ever had a free market? When is the last time that the real estate market hasn't been manipulated in some way?

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by ClumsyPilot on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @10:31PM (#29337969)
How could housing be a free market if no-one produces land?

Land is a zero sum game, you can't pretend same laws apply to it and iPhones

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by mattnewton on Thursday November 25, 2021 @01:33AM (#29338759)
This would make sense if we were running out of land, or if we were anywhere near housing density limits, but we are not. Housing can be created by running utilities and roads to land without it or building higher on land with it.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by Spivak on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:17PM (#29338183)
Markets for a fixed number of goods work fine in general; concert tickets, limited edition shoes, rare antiques. The housing market is heavily absolutely distorted but not because land is a fixed quantity.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday November 25, 2021 @06:48AM (#29340527)
"concert tickets, limited edition shoes, rare antiques"

What have you measured to determine that these markets 'work fine'? These are terrible markets, speculation is higher than productivity, fraud is endemic, prices are volatile and liquidity is low. Antiques and arts are infamous for fraud and enabling tax evasion.

People don't need limited edition shoes to survive, so we can just ignore the problem.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by chii on Wednesday November 24, 2021 @11:49PM (#29338310)
> The housing market is heavily absolutely distorted

i still don't understand what these distortions being claimed are. "artificially low" interest rates isn't a distortion - it affects everything, and the rates may not be that low, compared to the growth. As for taxation, real estate isn't treated too differently from any other forms of investment.

Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by stickfigure on Thursday November 25, 2021 @01:15AM (#29338684)
The 30-year fixed-rate mortgage is pretty unique to real estate.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by zajio1am on Thursday November 25, 2021 @09:32AM (#29341624)
Ability of third parties (politicians, bureocracy, NIMBY groups) to block or retard production of new assets. From what i heard from developers, getting permissions for a new appartment complex takes many years, several times longer than actually building the complex.
Re:Low interest rates in advanced countries have pushed mone... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday November 25, 2021 @01:32PM (#29343711)
Inability of third party to capture value they create - an apartment complex in the middle of the forest is worthless.

It needs utilities, shopping centre, major metro line, highway, arts, jobs, good schools, and general 'nice area' vibes created by artists on the verge of bankruptcy. None of those things area created by the construction company.

In fact randomly building houses leads to congestion, lack of places in schools and other facilities, and miserable living conditions.