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Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by dragonwriter on Sunday November 21, 2021 @09:32PM (#29302083)
> Octopi is not the correct plural.

Octopi is not the most common plural, true.

> Octopus is of greek origin, not latin.

Octopus entered English from scientific Latin. In which the Greek plural was not used. (Lots of words in English fron languages other than their language of origin and have irregular English forms from their immediate source rather than their remote origin.)

“Octopi” appears to be the earliest English plural of octopus.

> Thus, its greek plural is octopodes.

“Thus” is incorrect there, but, yes, that is its Greek plural.

> And thus, since we don't tend to use greek plurals in english

But we do. Just not, until comparatively recently and never dominantly, in the case of “octopodes”.

> the other proper plural is octopuses.

That is the most common English plural, and you don't really need a (false) historical narrative to support that it is “proper” except coming from a broken prescriptivist framework.

> Octopi is what's known as a hypercorrection

Since its the oldest attested English plural, its not a hypercorrection, just (arguably) dated. Though its probably the most common incorrect example of hypercorrection.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/the-many-plura...

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by skissane on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:09PM (#29302312)
> Octopus entered English from scientific Latin. In which the Greek plural was not used

The Latin (nominative) plural is octōpodēs, the Greek (nominative non-neuter) plural is ὀκτώποδες. Almost identical. octopi is not used in Latin, it only appears to occur in English texts.

Most Romance languages get their primary word for "octopus" from an alternative Latin word for it, polypus (plural polypī), which comes from Greek πολύπους (plural πολύποδα). polypus is also an alternative word for octopus in English, albeit it is rather archaic. The English plural polypi cannot be accused of being a hypercorrection, but (for octopuses) polypuses is much more common. polypus is also medical terminology for a type of blood clot, and the polypi plural is often preferred when the word is used in that medical sense.

The usual Dutch word for "octopus", octopus, is pluralised by the standard Dutch rules, octopussen. English appears to be the only language in which this hypercorrect pseudo-Latin plural has any popularity.

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by monkeybutton on Sunday November 21, 2021 @09:56PM (#29302215)
This is fascinating and instead of replying I've been reading about this and looking up words like cacti. For what it's worth, both plural forms for Octopus are in my phone's autocomplete dictionary.
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by sen on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:04PM (#29302269)
The only real solution here is to make the official plural term be Octopises.
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by Izkata on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:49PM (#29302516)
Seems to be missing the third plural, perhaps Octopodises
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by junon on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:40PM (#29302816)
"Octopissies" doesn't exactly sound the best when said out loud...
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by ComodoHacker on Monday November 22, 2021 @01:17AM (#29303399)
What about "octopussies"?
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by froh on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:29AM (#29303101)
> phone's autocomplete dictionary.

Snicker ... The new Webster or Oxfords ...

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by cfcfcf on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:11PM (#29302325)
Is the American pronunciation of “processes” (as in, rhymes with bees) also a hypercorrection?
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by dragonwriter on Monday November 22, 2021 @04:29AM (#29304518)
I’m not sure if it is real hypercorrection (or even attempted correction) or a conscious adoption of an available model pronunciation of plural nouns with similar spelling as a tool to distinguish the plural noun from the verb.

Though, in either case, it has the danger of suggesting the plural form of the hypothetical word “processee” (from processor, and by analogy to pairs like lessor/lessee), so, “things that are processed”.

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by gorgoiler on Monday November 22, 2021 @02:22AM (#29303747)
The “hypercorrection” being to use the same long plural e from axis/axes with process/processes?
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by Izkata on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:52PM (#29302528)
> American pronunciation

..since when? I don't think I've ever heard "processees" before...

Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by monocasa on Sunday November 21, 2021 @11:05PM (#29302590)
I hear it maybe 20% of the time.
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by talaketu on Monday November 22, 2021 @12:10AM (#29302988)
listen to the sentence Psaki utters at about 66s in: https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1448740969726156800
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by grzm on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:54PM (#29302537)
I've heard both used in the US.
Re:Octopuses, crabs and lobsters to be recognised as sentien... by giantg2 on Sunday November 21, 2021 @10:10PM (#29302317)
What about octopus as both singular and plural?