And what are the hospitalization rates? Occupying beds and Heath care providers that could be treating conditions that are not preventable? What about long covid rates? It isn’t death or you’re fine.

Since it appears you are advocating for policy based on those numbers, why don't you provide them?

You can find hospitalization rates by age group here.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

By that metric we shouldn't worry about measles, either. Survival rate is 99.9 %, the change of getting encephalitis is only 1 in 10000. But somehow we do.

And why is everyone over 50 running out to get the shingles vaccine? It's not like shingles kill you.

The difference between COVID and measles is that the measles vaccine is actually effective (i.e., people vaccinated against measles never need to worry about it or take precautions against it in everyday life again), and it's also been around long enough to be confident there's no long-term side effects.

The measles vaccine is not perfect either. The only reason we don't have to worry abour measles is because enough people have been vaccinated to achieve herd immunity and bring down the transmission to zero. However, if vaccination rates drop even a little bit then outbreaks can pop up again because measles is extremely contagious.

Like last years flu vaccines, the current covid vaccines are targeting last years version of the virus, since then the virus has evolved to escape the vaccine[0]. 100% uptake of the current vaccine won't eliminate the virus.

[0]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34593004/

I encourage everyone eligible to get vaccinated, but since the vaccines don't reliably prevent transmission there will be no significant herd immunity effect.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

> However, if vaccination rates drop even a little bit then outbreaks can pop up again because measles is extremely transmissable.

But in cases when that's happened, how many people caught "breakthrough" measles, as opposed to unvaccinated people catching measles?

Not exactly what you are asking, but close enough: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine

> This is often done at age 15 to 18 months. After one dose at the age of nine months 85% are immune, while a dose at twelve months results in 95% immunity.

This graphic is interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles_vaccine#/media/File:Me... With one dose the case number is reduced a lot, but there are still some smaller peaks aver few years. After the second dose was made mandatory, the number of cases goes to almost zero.

I'm not sure about Canada, but here in Argentina kids get two doses, and every 5-10 years there is a effort to give an additional dose to some groups with more risk (like small children).

If you have a vaccine that protects against something that is 0.1% deadly you should take it. But when measles was out in the wild killing people we didn't wear masks and have lockdowns to stop it either.

There is no time in US history when measles killed anywhere near 100k+ people per year. The numbers I am seeing are in the thousands.

https://i1.wp.com/vaxopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/a...

Covid has killed upwards of 770k people in the US.

Comparing death rates in the population is a misleading comparison. In a world of endemic measles most people get measles at some point; new outbreaks tend to hit mostly children, because they weren't born yet during the previous outbreak. To compare disease lethality we have to look at the number of infected patients, not the total population.

If measles were a brand-new disease introduced today, it would also be a bloodbath.

I'm saying that if measles were a brand new disease, it's possible that it would cause a pandemic that's even worse than covid-19 was. Measles is nasty.

This entire line of reasoning makes no sense at all. Any new disease could cause a massive death toll if we had no resistance to it at all.

Our public health systems responds to reality, not theoretical casualties in populations that do not exist.

If measles was killing 1 million people per year we would've absolutely locked down much harder to stop the spread. That is just common sense.

It never was doing that. It was killing like 10k people or less per year. So any kind of comparison of our response to covid is ridiculous, except in acknowledging that even though measles was far less dangerous to our population, we still have mandated vaccination against it.

What percentage of survivors get Long Covid symptoms? Is that information available broken down by age, like the IFR you're quoting?

I’ve never been able to find similar numbers. Let me know if you can. but I’d be curious to get your take on this French study.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

It seems like good news for people worried about long Covid.

Couldn't find it at a glance, does the data included vaccinated people? If so it's not surprising mortality is lower than previously reported (because there are more vaccinated people than in the past).

The overall infection fatality rate is 0.6%, not 2%.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

> I’ve read, people dying of COVID seem to spend a lot of their last days and hours of consciousness wishing they could go with the revolver instead.

Do you have a good source from that? Preferably an article in a serious newspaper that verified the sources. I really expect people to be asking for a painkiller and a miracle cure.