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Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by julianlam on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:09AM (#29277928)
Marriott decided to avoid poking the bear by stepping on the proverbial mouse.

From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense, but moralistically, it does not.

It is very disappointing that even I, as an Asian individual living in Canada, am disincentivized from expressing even my own opinion on China and HK/Taiwan, etc. due to the perceived threat of "consequences" from a government whose reach I cannot easily quantify.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by simonh on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:30AM (#29278168)
The management of this Marriot Hotel did yes, but it's encouraging that Marriot's corporate management immediately overruled the Hotel on this and apologised to the group.

Marriot do have a spotty history on such issues, but I think we should commend them when they attempt to do the right thing. Yes this shouldn't have happened in the first place, but given that it did they do seem to be doing their best to make it right.

I'm not going to post this reply to every single other comment ragging on 'Marriot' here, which is all but one top level comment, but come on people. Read the article. Oh, and now that top level comment that was actually informed and provided useful context is getting downvoted into oblivion. We can do better than this.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by ethbr0 on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:08AM (#29278637)
Side note for those who don't know: most Marriott properties are Marriott-managed, not Marriott-owned.

It usually doesn't matter, but on policy questions there can sometimes be some friction between owner preferences & Marriott corporate preferences.

Usually this is over things like "Your food and service isn't up to Marriott quality, because you're under investing." But I imagine politics is also a sensitive point too. Regardless, Marriott corporate usually wins, as a hotel-without-the-Marriott-name prints less money.

Edit: Although in this instance, from the scarce details, it sounds like it was divergence from corporate policy by local management. Which, if you're putting management teams in ~7,900 properties, is probably a thing that happens.

Basic summary: https://marketrealist.com/2014/10/why-marriotts-hotels-have-...

Marriott Intl page for franchisees: https://hotel-development.marriott.com/

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by ethagknight on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:48AM (#29279208)
Right direction but still not accurate correct: most Marriott "properties" are just Marriott-licensed not even managed. Marriott sets the standards for operation and provides access to its booking system, corporate accounts, rewards system, and some marketing. The actual business operation is a lot smaller than most people outside of hospitality realize.

According to a recent SEC filing, they own 20 properties internationally, lease another ~40. They manage 2,149, and franchise 5,493.

https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001048286/0...

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by binaryblitz on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:40AM (#29279092)
This is actually true for a lot of hotel brands. It's more of a franchise situation.
Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by camjohnson26 on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:51AM (#29279245)
It doesn’t matter. By licensing its name Marriott is taking responsibility for everything these hotels do, along with the risks associated with that. This kind of event was foreseeable, and the corporation completely failed to avoid the situation by providing training on these sensitive issues ahead of time. I don’t see any reason to cut them slack given how suppressed the Uyghur genocide has been by corporations in general out of fear of China, and allowing Marriott to deflect responsibility by blaming everything on local management is exactly what they would want.

Also note that their apology doesn’t explicitly condemn the hotel’s behavior, it just says that they’re providing training. Definitely riding the fence.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by AlstZam on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:09AM (#29278644)
Maybe I'm too pessimistic but at first I only see a big corporation (with an history) putting the blame on the local management.

Maybe it's due to my bad English, but I'm not able to find any sign of actual "overrule" of this decision. Is the WUC was finally accepted at this Hotel?

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by majou on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:40AM (#29278285)
Thanks.

It's easy to give into a pessimistic spiral; I always wanted these kinds of issues to become well-known, but it seems like the response is often some kind of "yeah, figures.", foregoing the conclusion.

In a similar, but lesser vein; John Cena's apology video didn't once mention what he was apologizing for, and still got lots of flak from mainland Chinese because of that. It was plain to everyone involved what the video was aimed to do, but it's the kind of fence-walking that we miss.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by hartator on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:26AM (#29278898)
> it's encouraging that Marriot's corporate management immediately overruled the Hotel on this and apologised to the group.

Where are you seeing this?

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by colejohnson66 on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:31AM (#29278970)
Maybe not overruled, but called out:

> The Marriott spokesperson clarified in a statement to Axios that hosting the conference would not have violated any "political neutrality" policy, and said the reference to "corporate management" in the email referred to "hotel-level management."

> "We are working with the hotel team to provide additional training and education on our longstanding practices of inclusion," she said.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by enriquto on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:32AM (#29278183)
> From a business perspective

And that is our fault, to a great extent.

By "we", here I mean citizens of western countries that put up with this bullshit. When one of "our" companies engages in this shameful authoritarian appeasement we should boycott them to oblivion. If we fail to do so, we are enabling this behavior.

There's not much that we can do about human rights abuses in other countries. But there's a lot that we can do in our own countries to local companies that participate or validate the abusers. In that particular case, it would be feasible for Austrian people to stop all Marriott operations on the whole country, with a targeted human-rights campaign.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by skeeter2020 on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:20AM (#29278802)
>> When one of "our" companies engages in this shameful authoritarian appeasement we should boycott them to oblivion.

What's the difference between what you're promoting and the knee-jerk cancel culture that's as bad as what it punishes? I like to think we can influence and change behaviours without "boycotting companies into oblivion", even if that was realistic or likely. There's a large distance between your aggressive post on the internet and an entire country of people coordinating a campaign against specific business.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by jjeaff on Friday November 19, 2021 @04:26PM (#29282748)
Just because some cancel culture is knee-jerk does not mean all attempts to cancel someone or something is necessarily wrong.
Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by mleonhard on Friday November 19, 2021 @03:42PM (#29282178)
You're putting responsibility on individuals to enforce ethical behavior. This has two problems:

1. People don't have enough motivation, knowledge, and free time to find and keep track of which companies behave ethically. Also, people are generally selfish and will buy from unethical companies if it saves them money or time. (I did this yesterday.)

2. Liars deceive large groups of people and escape punishment or cause wrong punishment of a competitor.

In a modern society, we need people with specialized skills to do the work of holding companies accountable. We should train them, pay them, and hold them accountable for how they do their jobs. USA has a law forbidding US people from paying bribes to anyone anywhere in the world. The FBI enforces this law.

How about adding a law forbidding US people from discriminating in business based on political or religious affiliation? I think we don't have this because a lot of US people wish to run their businesses with bigotry. See the gay wedding cake controversy [0].

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44361162

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by lenkite on Monday November 22, 2021 @04:05AM (#29304354)
> How about adding a law forbidding US people from discriminating in business based on political or religious affiliation?

Such laws would be terrific. Example: Gofundme will not be permitted to ban Kyle Rittenhouse's fundraising.

The number of folks on the right being discriminated against outnumber the folks on the left by several orders of magnitude.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by Aunche on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:39AM (#29279065)
Westerners have this outdated view that they have enough economic leverage to pressure China into doing what they want. Hollywood, the NBA, and Marriott actually have negative leverage over China because they are American exports that the CCP doesn't particularly care about. They would much rather their population consume Chinese media and stay in Chinese hotels anyways, so they're more than happy to find an excuse to kick them out. Pressuring these companies to take a stand about China and get kicked out will not only do absolutely nothing in helping the Uyghurs, it will hurt our domestic economy and help theirs.

Nike and Apple do have some leverage that the government can work with. However, American imports tend to be intermediary goods, so doing so would mutually damage both sides. We barely have enough on the table to negotiate trade, so no politician is going to enter a war of attrition for humanitarian reasons, especially if it's one that they have been preparing for, and we have not.

Re:Marriott refused to host Uyghur conference, citing “polit... by BitwiseFool on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:32AM (#29278986)
I believe sustaining such a boycott is nearly impossible if you don't have the news-media on your side. This is because you need to convince the average, not particularly engaged citizen to join in the boycott. And, after the initial outrage you need media attention keep the boycott relevant in people's minds.

I don't sense our news-media wants to fight this fight.