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Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by FpUser on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:05PM (#29267727)
You could get up to 10% on 1M investment annually (that is what my friend has). Sure he does not have private yacht but one can live quite comfy on 100K without lifting a finger and that is what he does.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by PragmaticPulp on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:21PM (#29267921)
> You could get up to 10% on 1M investment annually (that is what my friend has)

We have a hundred years of investment data in the United States that says this isn’t true.

A 10% withdrawal rate will lead to portfolio failure 50% of the time after about 14 years. You can calculate using historical data here: https://engaging-data.com/will-money-last-retire-early/

There are mountains of research showing the safe withdrawal rate for retirement is around 3.5-4%. A million dollars gets you $40K per year at most, not $100K per year.

Anyone expecting to live off of $100K/year with only $1m invested is in trouble in about a decade, even if they could get a mythical reliable 10% return.

Note that due to inflation and downturns, you cannot withdraw an amount equal to the interest you earn. You have to withdraw significantly less than the interest you accumulate.

Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by FpUser on Thursday November 18, 2021 @05:17PM (#29271348)
>"We have a hundred years of investment data in the United States that says this isn’t true."

An average over extended period of time. Maybe my fried is lucky and it's only been 3-4 years of such return for him

Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by icedchai on Thursday November 18, 2021 @07:28PM (#29272391)
The last 4 years have been outliers, and lucky for everyone (except those folks who sold at the bottom and moved to bonds in 2020.)
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by nightski on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:19PM (#29268639)
On average. But if you are lucky enough to invest your first few years with extraordinary returns (say the past two years with 40%+ in index funds) that can greatly skew the outcome due to compounding.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by Grustaf on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:11PM (#29267795)
If your friend can reliably generate 10% (not just in the current insane bull market) he should open a hedge fund.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by DeathArrow on Thursday November 18, 2021 @02:18PM (#29269264)
I think that if you tracked S&P 500 since inception years you made about 10-11% year on average.

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-average...

Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by FpUser on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:20PM (#29267901)
He had it for about 4 years I think. Also he does not manage the money. Somebody else does it for him.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by bcrosby95 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:41PM (#29268177)
Markets have been amazing the last 4 years. You can't use that short of a timeline to predict the next 40.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by PragmaticPulp on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:28PM (#29268015)
If your friend gave someone a million dollars and they promised to deliver $100K per year indefinitely, your friend is the victim of financial fraud.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by FpUser on Thursday November 18, 2021 @05:14PM (#29271318)
Who said they've promised anything? He said that he was able go get about 10% in a last 3-4 years and that is all.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by ghaff on Thursday November 18, 2021 @12:14PM (#29267826)
Returns for the past decade have been quite good even if you're just investing in a diversified equity portfolio. Drop 10% to 4%, which is the rate that most planners use, and you're down to $40K/year. Which isn't that below median US income but many people working in tech in the US would probably consider it fairly bare bones even for a single person.
Re:How I got wealthy without working too hard by icedchai on Thursday November 18, 2021 @07:26PM (#29272378)
Let me guess: your friend has only been investing for the past 10 to 12 years. The past 10 years were very good times. Yes, there were a couple rough patches (March 2020, anyone?), and years where things went nowhere (2014-2016?) but if you stayed the course, you were more than fine. If you literally did nothing except put your money in an S&P fund, reinvested all dividends, and waited, you'd be up 15% annually. It won't be like this forever...