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Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by genewitch on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:09PM (#29261294)
Not really bonsai then, though. Burritos are not egg rolls.

Bonsai inspired teacup trees or something.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by dqv on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @11:44PM (#29262047)
Ok we will call them penjing like the article suggests, but others will continue to refer to them as bonsai and I am not going to go out of my way to correct them.
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by genewitch on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:30AM (#29262590)
I'm down with penjing!
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by eozoon on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:22AM (#29263313)
Which honestly feels a bit silly to me, because the Chinese penjing community are also obsessed with the details of the craft - may be to a slightly less degree than their Japanese counterpart due to the Japan culture's tendency to formalize things. But I promise you penjing enthusiasts are just as likely as bonsai enthusiasts to object to stick-in-a-pot being called a penjing.

(eg of a penjing site full of guides and discussion about the type of plant, the soil, the pot etc: https://www.pjcn.org/ )

And just like the article says about Japanese and their attitude towards the "not bonsai" - outside of the enthusiast communities, most people don't care, and will enjoy their small-tree-like-plant and call it bonsai/penjing anyway.

So I don't see why one would object to calling a casual mini tree a bonsai but is comfortable calling it penjing. Either both are okay or neither is.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by dumb1224 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:13AM (#29264994)
I agree with you. My mom is very into plants but she never calls her pots of mini trees penjing. But I guess there's the language aspect of the word usage as well: 'penjing' (literally pot of scenery) sounds very formal like written language, not very colloquial. It would sound like an advertising word as if from a production video or a market. Whereas the Japanese counterpart is regarded as an established high art/profession (which is common in Japanese society).
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by Nition on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:41PM (#29261742)
The article has already played out both sides of this argument in detail for us - do we really need to repeat it here?
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by throwaway984393 on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:26PM (#29261391)
They're both just a form of calzone
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by richardatlarge on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:31PM (#29261421)
What’s a bonsai is the question you’re headed towards. But when people buy a small simply styled tree in a pot, what are they to call it if not a bonsai. It’s a muddle because 99% of what’s sold as a bonsai is bought by people who do not want to become “bonsai” hobbyists
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by makeitdouble on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:01PM (#29261554)
I smell a "Robot or not" episode coming in.

I would assume Japanese people would call bonsai any plant in a recipient that has enough art to be enjoyable to watch. For instance I think moss is accepted, as long as it's artful and well groomed.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by kaybe on Thursday November 18, 2021 @06:17AM (#29264228)