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Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by richardatlarge on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:02PM (#29261253)
Yes, as the article suggests, a lot of people stay away from bonsai because it smacks of effort, but it can be done simply and easily if you disregard the bonsai love of complexity, age, and perfection
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by Cthulhu_ on Thursday November 18, 2021 @04:49AM (#29263796)
I mean a lot of these people should just start off with some houseplants.
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by helen___keller on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:16AM (#29265015)
That's where I am! I have a lot of houseplants (on the order of about 100) and now that I own property with outdoor space I've been interested in getting into potted outdoor houseplants. My tiny backyard has a lot of perennials, but what I don't have are many trees or any extra ground space, so I'd love to have some small potted hardy trees, particularly given my love of the real deal (i.e. adult trees in nature).
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by genewitch on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:09PM (#29261294)
Not really bonsai then, though. Burritos are not egg rolls.

Bonsai inspired teacup trees or something.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by dqv on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @11:44PM (#29262047)
Ok we will call them penjing like the article suggests, but others will continue to refer to them as bonsai and I am not going to go out of my way to correct them.
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by genewitch on Thursday November 18, 2021 @01:30AM (#29262590)
I'm down with penjing!
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by eozoon on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:22AM (#29263313)
Which honestly feels a bit silly to me, because the Chinese penjing community are also obsessed with the details of the craft - may be to a slightly less degree than their Japanese counterpart due to the Japan culture's tendency to formalize things. But I promise you penjing enthusiasts are just as likely as bonsai enthusiasts to object to stick-in-a-pot being called a penjing.

(eg of a penjing site full of guides and discussion about the type of plant, the soil, the pot etc: https://www.pjcn.org/ )

And just like the article says about Japanese and their attitude towards the "not bonsai" - outside of the enthusiast communities, most people don't care, and will enjoy their small-tree-like-plant and call it bonsai/penjing anyway.

So I don't see why one would object to calling a casual mini tree a bonsai but is comfortable calling it penjing. Either both are okay or neither is.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by dumb1224 on Thursday November 18, 2021 @08:13AM (#29264994)
I agree with you. My mom is very into plants but she never calls her pots of mini trees penjing. But I guess there's the language aspect of the word usage as well: 'penjing' (literally pot of scenery) sounds very formal like written language, not very colloquial. It would sound like an advertising word as if from a production video or a market. Whereas the Japanese counterpart is regarded as an established high art/profession (which is common in Japanese society).
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by Nition on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:41PM (#29261742)
The article has already played out both sides of this argument in detail for us - do we really need to repeat it here?
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by throwaway984393 on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:26PM (#29261391)
They're both just a form of calzone
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by richardatlarge on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:31PM (#29261421)
What’s a bonsai is the question you’re headed towards. But when people buy a small simply styled tree in a pot, what are they to call it if not a bonsai. It’s a muddle because 99% of what’s sold as a bonsai is bought by people who do not want to become “bonsai” hobbyists
Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by makeitdouble on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:01PM (#29261554)
I smell a "Robot or not" episode coming in.

I would assume Japanese people would call bonsai any plant in a recipient that has enough art to be enjoyable to watch. For instance I think moss is accepted, as long as it's artful and well groomed.

Re:Most who want simple ‘bonsai’ trees are ill-served by tra... by kaybe on Thursday November 18, 2021 @06:17AM (#29264228)