Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @05:09AM
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I want to know who's behind those sites, the fact that nobody knows who's behind them is shady. Or is having sites pushing meta-studies about anything normal and I just missed it?
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by jack_pp on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @05:47AM
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Is it so shady to mask your identity when so many people have been crucified for even hinting ivermectin might be beneficial?
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by weeblewobble on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @11:19AM
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like who?
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by h3rsko on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @01:59PM
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Joe rogan, aaron rodgers?
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by weeblewobble on Thursday November 18, 2021 @03:37PM
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Those two guys seem to be doing just fine.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by user-the-name on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @07:40AM
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The paragraph you quoted is, alone, pretty much enough to dismiss this entire article outright. It shows such a reckless disregard for critical thinking that it is impossible to trust anything that comes after it.
He sees a slick and well-presented site on a topic that is not only politically fraught, but well known to have a massive propaganda effort behind it, and he just completely refuses to even consider questioning it as a source? That is reckless beyond words.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by j-bos on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @07:52AM
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He uses the site as list of studies to review, and throughout the article lays out why the site itself is not a reliable source.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by shkkmo on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:07AM
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The paragraph quoted is making a point about how to effectively present and communicate scientific topics, not ascribing dependability.
Indeed, the entire article is a systematic rebuttal of ivmmeta's claims. Rebuttals are more convincing if you treat the topic in good faith rather than assuming fraud from the outset.
I don't understand how you can see this as "reckless beyond words" when it seems like exactly the sort of systematic analysis that we need more of.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by mcphage on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:24AM
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> It shows such a reckless disregard for critical thinking that it is impossible to trust anything that comes after it.
I don't think that paragraph is as complimentary as you do.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by user-the-name on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @09:27AM
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I am referring to this bit in particular: "I have no idea who runs it - they’ve very reasonably kept their identity secret"
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by mcphage on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @10:07AM
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Right—it's like saying "I don't know who the bank robber was—they've very reasonably kept their identity secret." Sure, it's reasonable for a bank robber to get keep their identity secret, because they're doing something shady.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by user-the-name on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @04:02PM
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Yeah, that would be a kind of weird thing to say. Like, that specific phrasing. If you wanted to say that, you would not phrase it like that.
Re:Ivermectin: Much More Than You Wanted to Know
by BurningFrog on Wednesday November 17, 2021 @12:19PM
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You quoted this, but don't seem to have understood it:
> Putting aside the question of accuracy and grading only on presentation and scale
This is from ivmmeta.com, part of a sprawling empire of big professional-looking sites promoting unorthodox coronavirus treatments. I have no idea who runs it - they’ve very reasonably kept their identity secret - but my hat is off to them...Putting aside the question of accuracy and grading only on presentation and scale, this is the most impressive act of science communication I have ever seen.
I asked a few questions previously on HN about Ivermectin and got answers that killed my interest in the topic (because I don't think it is relevant). But this piece is a delight.