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Re:I hate password rules by kibwen on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @01:58PM (#29244870)
Treating security questions like passwords and saving them in your password manager is correct, but make sure that your fake answers aren't autogenerated nonsense like ":s^Twd.J;3hzg=Q~". Many password reset flows involve communicating a security question over the phone, and it's easy enough for an attacker to guess "oh, it's just a bunch of random characters lol" and for the phone rep to just laugh and shrug their shoulders and let the person in. Make sure it's a sentence that makes sense (I would even avoid non-sequitur passphrases such as those generated by diceware), while also making sure that it has no relationship whatsoever to the question.
Re:I hate password rules by wruza on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @04:40PM (#29246661)
Maybe “:s^Twd.J;3hzg=Q~ if I don’t spell it, it’s not me”?
Re:I hate password rules by mumblemumble on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @06:22PM (#29247533)
Will probably work about as well as that time when I was young and decided to spend about a week signing all receipts with a signature that looks nothing like my usual one, just to see if it would ever be challenged.

Many people are, contrary to all pretense, mostly paid to not give any actual fucks.

Re:I hate password rules by croutonwagon on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @07:27PM (#29248054)
I once signed STOLEN on a pad at the grocery checkout. They let it ride and ran the charge.

But I was relieved to find my CC provider calling me to verify I was just up to shenanigans.

I was also curious how many thieves they had run across that signed for purchases as stolen in large cap letters.

Re:I hate password rules by hervature on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @06:46PM (#29247742)
What do you think the signature is for? If a store can provide a signed receipt, the bank eats a chargeback. If they can't, the business pays. No one verifies that it is your signature. It is just an anachronism of how contracts work.
Re:I hate password rules by time0ut on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @02:12PM (#29245074)
My password generator can make pronounceable nonsense words. It has worked ok so far. Some of them are embarrassing though.
Re:I hate password rules by fragmede on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @02:34PM (#29245343)
My password generator (or just do it manually) can generate word passwords like correct-horse-battery-staple using real words, which is probably a bit easier to read over the phone.
Re:I hate password rules by Symbiote on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @03:28PM (#29245972)

  grep --perl-regexp '^[a-z]{4,7}$' /usr/share/dict/words | \
    shuf -n 5 | tr '\n' ' '
Although maybe just 2 or 3 words would be best for avoiding a support agent skipping the question.

  bless clench moraine
Re:I hate password rules by ninjin on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @09:49PM (#29248856)
Nice one there, much simpler than my nearly POSIX one (I think I rely on a GNU sed extension, but it was years since I wrote this):

  shuf /nix/store/ny99jkpl3r9zgkkdv5apprzl18i8rb4m-scowl-2019.10.06/share/dict/wbritish.txt \
    | grep '^[A-Za-z]\+$' \
    | head -n 3 \
    | sed -e 's|\(.\)\(.*\)|\u\1\2|g' \
    | tr -d '\n' \
    | sed -e 's|$|\n|g'
Which gives you for example:

  OmegasInsentientPantheons
I only use this for “secret” questions though, not passwords.
Re:I hate password rules by js2 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @02:11PM (#29245048)

  openssl rand -hex 8 | sed 's/..../&-/g;s/-$//'
Or if you like upper-case letters:

  openssl rand -hex 8 | sed 's/..../&-/g;s/-$//;y/abcdef/ABCDEF/
Re:I hate password rules by exolymph on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @02:43PM (#29245464)
This would still parse as "random letters and numbers" to your typical support agent, no?
Re:I hate password rules by js2 on Tuesday November 16, 2021 @03:39PM (#29246081)
Maybe, but it's close to what I use. It's a limited character set and more or less looks like a credit-card which people are used to seeing.

It's either that or pick a random dictionary word.