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Re:Toyota spreads anti-EV propaganda in Japan by coldtea on Thursday November 11, 2021 @03:59PM (#29193099)
What makes it "anti-EV propaganda" as opposed to "reality"? Who decides whether "anti-EV" is propaganda, whereas "anti-gas" merely information? "electrek.com"?

First of all, the pamphlets shown have no anti-EV statements whatsoever. In fact, as the article shows, they don't mention EV at all.

What they accuse them is propaganda by omission! The company dared not tout EV in its own pamphlet, but focus exclusively on their traditional models.

Well, they also didn't bet strong on the EV market, so can they promote what they actually focus on? Or is that forbidden?

Secondly, that hybrids are globally a more realistic solution in the next 10-20 years is true.

Some people bought their $50K+ Teslas (or some small EV for city use) and are under the delusion that in, say, 10 years or so (if not immediately), all gas stations could stop serving gas, and just have EV charging units.

The world is neither just Tokyo nor just California or Stockholm, nor is the capacity and infrastructure there (from batteries and materials required for them, to the power grid). And in the future, between inflation, infrastructure neglect, covid repercursions to the economy, climate change costs, trade war costs, and so on, infrastructure might even get worse, not better. (I'd bet those "all new cars must be EVs by 2030" edicts, will be revisited and expanded a couple of times).

Thirdly, that workers in many traditional car trades and manufacturing will go out of a job by such a switch is a fact, and something to be taken into account (of course there's always the Ayn Ran "solution": "fuck them").

If anything, it's the article that has a strong pro-EV-or-bust vibe (well, given the website), and it makes sense that the "complaint" came from a "concerned citizen", which could be anything from an EV-obsessed enthusiast to astroturfing.

Re:Toyota spreads anti-EV propaganda in Japan by quantified on Thursday November 11, 2021 @05:35PM (#29194151)
The “concerned citizen” is quite weird.

I suspect hybrid is the best next goal, followed by electric. Cold turkey to electric is bound to be messy and uneven. Anyplace that is cold or remote won’t be served by electric, so we will need to retain some petroleum processing. Call it weaning as opposed to setting up to go cold turkey.

Re:Toyota spreads anti-EV propaganda in Japan by toomuchtodo on Thursday November 11, 2021 @08:15PM (#29195281)
Norway gets cold, and is almost at 100% EV sales (will reach this point in April 2022). New gas vehicle sales are banned starting in 2025.

https://electrek.co/2021/09/23/norway-bans-gas-cars-in-2025-...

The trouble will be when EVs reach a tipping point where petroleum consumption declines below a sustainable level for the petroleum supply chain to function. That’s still at least 10-15 years off, but will occur eventually.

Re:Toyota spreads anti-EV propaganda in Japan by agonmon on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:09PM (#29193195)
Physics and statistical arguments about the medical harms of pollution. But if that is too much to dig into, consider the incentives in play, and who has more to gain from spreading disinformation.
Re:Toyota spreads anti-EV propaganda in Japan by coldtea on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:24PM (#29193381)
>But if that is too much to dig into

Is that similar to the difficulty digging into whether an all-new-EV car fleet is practical, from an electric needs/power grid capacity and stability/charging infrastructure spread/battery making capacity/battery materials capacity/standpoint? Or to the physics and statistical arguments regarding their total relative environmental impact with externalities taken into account?

>consider the incentives in play, and who has more to gain from spreading disinformation.

EV companies that have the chance to sell the entirety of new cars, with state mandated priority to their technology, and ample subsidies and tax-cuts?