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Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by hammock on Monday November 08, 2021 @09:35PM (#29157055)
Housing is not in CPI. They use "owners' equivalent rent" which is a subjective (cooked) metric.
Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by skybrian on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:46PM (#29157490)
Well, it’s based on a survey. (And surveys are cursed instruments [1].)

> Generally, owners' equivalent rent is obtained through surveys asking homeowners the following question: "If someone were to rent your home today, how much do you think it would rent for monthly, unfurnished and without utilities?" [2]

I would guess that some owners’ ideas of what their house would rent for might lag the market?

[1] https://carcinisation.com/2020/12/11/survey-chicken/

[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/owners-equivalent-rent....

Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by yokem55 on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:03PM (#29157232)
So what housing cost metric should be looked at? The cost for a retiree living in their paid off home? The mortgage payment for brand new homeowner with minimal down? The cost to split an apartment for 2 people? What objective measure should be used?
Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by human on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:20PM (#29157325)
CPI will never been perfect. They could even break it down into 3 categories: 1. Poor man’s CPI: ramen, rent & public transit 2. Middle class’s CPI: house, beef & cars 3. Rich man’s CPI: penthouse, luxury goods & sports teams
Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by asdff on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:26PM (#29157369)
All of them? The government has this data already it just needs to be aggregated by someone motivated.
Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by gruez on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:37PM (#29157429)
How do you combine them into one number, in a way that isn't "cooked"? Proposing we mash up all data ever into one figure, without detailing how, is useless
Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by neltnerb on Monday November 08, 2021 @11:48PM (#29157858)
Why would they necessarily be combined?

If you look at the Bureau of Labor and Statistics they will happily provide you with more detail, for instance the median salary in a field for the top 10% of employees versus the top 90%.

I don't know how you'd keep that updated though, you can hardly say "the amount the richest 10% spend is the rich CPI" because it's a silly statistic. I don't know how you can reasonably say "the minimum amount required to be rich", it just seems silly on its face.

No, I don't think there's much of a way to make it work. It's probably more directly useful to understand whether people are saving money or how much debt they have, though that's going to lag.

I mean, or just ask people. The government is fairly good at doing that.

Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by asdff on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @12:06AM (#29157946)
I don't think they have to ask anyone. IRS and other agencies could pull all this information. IRS knows how much rent my landlord makes. County knows how many units are on the parcel my landlord owns and the landlords property tax burden. Lender reports mortgage data to the government, now you know my landlords mortgage. By aggregating just this info, most of which like the county parcel data already being public, you can get the true costs towards housing paid by everyone in the country living in housing.

For income once again you can turn to IRS tax return data. I believe IRS can also sum your accounts as well as review transaction history. Creditors also report debts to IRS.

All told I believe the federal government can access all the information needed to know exactly what almost every American is paying for housing, how much they are being paid, how much they are spending, and how much debt they have.

Re:It’s mostly a demand shock, not a supply shock, and it’s ... by asdff on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:49PM (#29157508)
Medians aren't crooked.