Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by ashtonkem on Monday November 08, 2021 @11:24AM (#29150915)

Tough. The logical consequence of “we can’t show you the proof” is “okay, I don’t believe that you have any”. After all, you would not believe my assertions about fantastical achievements without evidence, and the consequences of that hypothetical are much lower than the state saying it should be able to kill people in the name of “counter terrorism”.

More succinctly; “it would compromise means and methods” is a phenomenal way to cover up shaky or non-existent evidence.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by starik36 on Monday November 08, 2021 @12:22PM (#29151601)

All the evidence of Russian collusion and hacking is almost always presented without any evidence whatsoever. Yet no one in the mainstream media thinks to question it.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by ashtonkem on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:40PM (#29153313)

> It's just internet bravado, and doesn't survive contact with reality.

Okay, I’ve reached my patience limit with you. Go use ad hominems on other people, I’ve tired of your blatant abuse.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by dang on Friday November 12, 2021 @11:37PM (#29207410)

Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here. We've had to warn you about this several times before. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by LegitShady on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:26PM (#29153798)

I'm sorry if finding out that national security of a foreign state trumps your demands for evidence in a terrorism investigation is so traumatizing you classify it as abuse.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by dang on Friday November 12, 2021 @11:38PM (#29207414)

Breaking the site guidelines like this will get you banned here. We've had to warn you about this several times before. No more of this, please.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by pythonlion on Monday November 08, 2021 @01:47PM (#29152715)

countries do hit jobs rarely and when they do its clear this person was involved 100% of the time. That's the only case people get killed in the name of “counter terrorism”. the discussion was about banning an organization not a person.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by ashtonkem on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:43PM (#29153350)

They claim that, yes. Then again the DOD also claimed that their final drone strike was on a valid combatant, later on they had to admit that it was just a worker being greeted by his children. Whoops (/s).

Obviously banning an organization is much lower stakes than killing or jailing someone, and we should adjust accordingly. Still, if Israel (or any other country really) is going to run around and say that an organization or person is connected to terrorism, they should pony up enough evidence commensurate with the actions they propose so that we can discuss the matter. The pressure for any state to conflate political and security threats is high, and public scrutiny is part of what provides a counter balance.

This is particularly important if a country is demanding that the international community writ large take action against a given person or organization. Should not the citizens of the countries being asked to participate have the opportunity to see some evidence and discuss the matter?

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by ashtonkem on Monday November 08, 2021 @01:11PM (#29152258)

No, I’m demanding they support their allegations before killing people. Giving the state unfettered access to kill and jail god knows who based on unsupported allegations of terrorism is very dangerous territory, and any right thinking person should be wary of handing out that kind of power.

Saying this is about making me “feel better” is pushing the limits of good faith discussion, don’t do that.

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Re:Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Peg... by LegitShady on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:38PM (#29153912)

It's not your state, and this did go to court, you just weren't privy to the evidence because you're not a party involved in the investigation or the case, and have no security clearance in this foreign state to know the details.

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