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Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by mechanical_fish on Sunday August 31, 2008 @09:00AM (#291342)
Do these guys really think you can brew up a $200 web tablet at an old kitchen table?

Actually, that's a very good sign. Every one of the smartest EEs I know works like this: In apartments or labs filled with piles of random wires and oscilloscopes and beat-up hard drives. You can tell which parts are the important ones because they're the ones that are only half-covered with random junk.

The first danger, when this project was announced, was that it would be a vanity project like so many others before it. It would consist of 85% talk, and 10% fundraising, and the remaining 5% would be outsourced to some team of professional ditherers with flashy Powerpoint presentations who would produce lots of shiny plastic mockups and cost overruns and never quite manage to ship anything. Or there would be a giant mob of 'contributors', each of whom is invited to bring a single resistor to be soldered into the heap.

Instead, after the initial rush we seem to have seen very little loose talk, which implies that there might just be a handful of people quietly plugging away on the thing. And now we get a benchtop prototype. All promising signs.

Of course, I have no doubt that you can produce a single, working desktop prototype of a web tablet. That's still a far cry from being able to mass-produce a reliable version for $200. But, if they want to get there, they appear to be on the right track. And, if they fail, at least they might learn exactly why, because they will have gotten into the weeds.

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by gstar on Sunday August 31, 2008 @12:30PM (#291407)
And that is exactly my point. It's one thing to build a prototype, and another thing entirely to be able to mass produce a web tablet for $200. And no matter how good the EE, you can't do that stuff at a messy kitchen table - you need serious resources.
Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by mechanical_fish on Sunday August 31, 2008 @02:18PM (#291452)
Well, sure, but those serious manufacturing resources belong to OEMs in China. As a US-based designer, building a factory is not your problem -- there's no hope of doing that profitably at this rock-bottom $200 price point. Your problem is design -- figuring out which combinations of commodity parts will do what you want. After which you'll take various iterations of your prototype to meetings with OEMs like Foxconn, asking them to bid for the honor of manufacturing the product in bulk and sticking your company's label on it.

Of course, there are lots of potential pitfalls in that process -- there are several middlemen who can mark the price up, there are lots of suppliers to coordinate and play against each other, and there's the constant risk that your design is lousy, or unmanufacturable (when the factory is half a world away, it's hard to establish a good design feedback loop), or that you'll cut so many corners trying to meet your budget that your brilliant design turns out lousy. This is presumably why there are so few decent $200 web tablets.

Incidentally, though I used to be a product engineer in the cellular components industry, I'm no expert on the overall design/manufacturing process -- I was a tiny cog in the giant cellphone machine. For actual knowledge I recommend something like Bunnie Huang's blog posts about hiring folks to build the Chumby:

http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?cat=6

UPDATE: I just surfed through my own link, and I have to say that Bunnie is a great blogger. His hints for getting quality designs out of Chinese factories (my capsule summary: "live in China, watching the assembly line, for as much time as you and your budget can stand") are in line with my own experience.

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by wmf on Sunday August 31, 2008 @07:00PM (#291565)
Indeed. When I (briefly) worked on hardware, even the prototypes had to be contracted out because you can't make PCBs and solder BGA on your kitchen table. We were aiming substantially higher than a tablet, though, so maybe you can do a lot with an eval board and some sheet metal.
Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by axod on Sunday August 31, 2008 @12:21PM (#291404)
You can already pick up eee's and copies for $200 or so...

I'm not sure where the market is for a tablet like this personally. It's less useful than an iphone (not portable), and less useful than a laptop (No keyboard).

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by tsuraan on Sunday August 31, 2008 @04:33PM (#291517)
And yet, this is exactly what I've been looking for for the past year or so. Not every computer needs to be a content creation device; I want a computer for my kitchen that's used for retrieving recipes. I can make the software to store and present the recipies, but I can't find a keyboard-free tablet (basically a 10" nokia 770) that would be useful for displaying the recipies in my kitchen, mounted on the wall.

One man's useless junk is another man's dream...

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by netcan on Sunday August 31, 2008 @09:12PM (#291616)
I love that recipes is always used as a way of explaining how useful consumer technology is. I think Apple Lisa had an ad with a women using it in the kitchen.

You'd think that recipes present our biggest problem needing a technological fix.

BTW: I agree that if it's cheap, easy & nice, there'll be all sort of uses for it.

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by orib on Sunday August 31, 2008 @09:26PM (#291628)
I think this H316 tops that quite nicely: http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=927

Not only does it store recipes, it has an integrated cutting board!

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by netcan on Monday September 01, 2008 @12:24AM (#291707)
Well well. So now I know.

We've come a long way. From $10.6k, 70kg recipe computer with an integrated cutting board, to a $200, 0.5 kg recipe computer with touch screen.

The start-up that finally cracks this recipe problem will really make it.

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by david927 on Monday September 01, 2008 @03:24AM (#291792)
I feel the same way. I've been looking for exactly this for a while now. I want one for my 3-year-old's room and I'll program some kids games and set it up to go to various kids sites.

I think this could be the computer equivalent of the Flip Video. Simply & obvious.

Re:Update On The TechCrunch Tablet: Prototype A by stcredzero on Sunday August 31, 2008 @12:40PM (#291413)
Less useful for what? If it had the right form factor, it might be more useful for browsing Hacker News over my lox & bagel, which is what I'm doing right now. (Commenting would require voice recognition, which is not up to snuff, yet, or a software keyboard, which would be worse. But a little Apple Wireless keyboard could be a good adjunct for that.)