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Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by ixtli on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:56AM (#29093920)
Publicly, for instance.

I think this is bad faith because it’s clear OP means it should be free at point of use. I doubt they’re arguing the people who create it shouldn’t be compensated. There are many ways to do this.

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by afarrell on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:04AM (#29094025)
I think it is good faith because it points out the unintended consequences of the action that OP advocates: quality journalism goes underfunded and the cohesion of society suffers —- unless there is also a proposal for how to differently fund journalism.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by endisneigh on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @08:57AM (#29093945)
Why would the government fund news criticizing it, unless you had a different definition of publicly in mind?
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by allendoerfer on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:01AM (#29093994)
How do you think courts or parliaments are funded? The same argument applies here. Why should the fourth power be any different than the second or third?
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by Ajedi32 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:19AM (#29094182)
Fair point, but consider that the separation of powers between the legislative and judicial branches of government is enforced by the constitution. Without a constitutional amendment, a fourth "public information" branch would have no such protection.

Furthermore, consider that these days even the courts (which are supposed to be politically neutral) have become highly politicized. I can't think of any reason why a supposedly neutral fourth branch of government would be any better in that regard.

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by allendoerfer on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @10:01AM (#29094664)
I do not know for sure about the US constitution, but my constitution already has freedom of press in it. I guess the press would have to distribute the money by themselves, the government would just hand it over.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by endisneigh on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:17AM (#29094164)
I’m not making an argument, I’m asking why would the government do this, now especially.

Why not maintain the status quo?

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by MichaelBurge on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:03AM (#29094016)
The government funds a Supreme Court that rules to overturn its own legislation, often criticizing it in the process.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by pietrovismara on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:04AM (#29094019)
Why would private investors fund news criticizing them?
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by jefftk on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:09AM (#29094069)
As long as you have many different news outlets owned by different investors this should be ok?
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by Miner49er on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:11AM (#29094093)
Except wealthy people still own the vast majority, so news will generally favor the wealthy.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by pietrovismara on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:30AM (#29094288)
The problem is that the interests of the private investors converge. The best we can hope from them is to fight each other, but they won't ever attack the system that keeps them all rich.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by spacemanmatt on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:08AM (#29094066)
The public should not care why its government might not like to fund news criticizing it. Just governments tolerate and respond to criticism.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by tata71 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:00AM (#29093973)
propublica.org
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by pietrovismara on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:51AM (#29094518)
The "about us"[0] page is a bit hidden but explains well the concept.

- [0]: https://www.propublica.org/about/

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by throwaway277360 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:02AM (#29094003)
Exactly. If the King paid for the newspaper, he would de-fund them if they reported news that went against the King. The fourth estate must remain independent.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by pietrovismara on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:32AM (#29094305)
The same exact statement is true for private ownership. The difference is that with public funding you can legislate to prevent governments to interfere with the news outlets. When they are privately owned on the other hand, you have no control over it.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by Ensorceled on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:03AM (#29094015)
The US is currently dismantling their Post Office, which is required to be funded by their Constitution. In Canada, we have publicly funded news (the CBC) but one of the major political parties runs on a platform of destroying it every election.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by dwheeler on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:19AM (#29094181)
I know of no requirement in the US Constitution that the US government fund the US Post Office.

The US Constitution grants Congress the authority to do so if it chooses to, and historically it has chosen to. Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads."

More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Clause

I do think that the US government should ensure that you should ensure that the mail continues. I just wanted to clarify that government isn't obligated to pay for it.

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by breckenedge on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:14AM (#29094122)
> The US is currently dismantling their Post Office

Where did you read this? The US postal system is not being dismantled, it’s meant to be self funded and it cannot meet its financial obligations.

> required to be funded by their Constitution.

It only empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads." That’s the entire Post Office clause.

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by sofixa on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:56AM (#29094585)
> it’s meant to be self funded and it cannot meet its financial obligations

Since when are public services required to be self funded? Are the army, police or DMV self funded? And don't their obligations included obviously biased ( in favour of painting the post office as a financially ruinous institution and privatise/dismantle it) provisions for full pensions of future employees, which nobody else does, anywhere?

Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by breckenedge on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:12PM (#29097522)
It’s that way because Congress makes it that way. That’s how they decided to run it and they are the only people able to change it.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by Ekaros on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @09:11AM (#29094095)
So like BBC or Pravda? I don't trust publicly funded organisations with important things like news not to be corrupted and start serving only certain political agenda.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by pietrovismara on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @10:02AM (#29094667)
So you'd rather trust Rupert Murdoch to make your interest? Because it is 100% guaranteed that his news outlets are going to serve only his political agenda.
Re:Ban Pay to View Content on Hacker News? by ixtli on Thursday November 04, 2021 @07:31PM (#29113728)
More to this point: you have some form of redress against the government. None against Murdoch unless you are very rich.

If this isn’t obvious then you don’t know much about the BBC. If anything, I’d argue they spend too much time hand-wringing about listener / viewer complaints.