Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by beamatronic on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @05:55PM
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Agree 100%... I'm astonished that a large corporation trying to get into this business, would "bite off more than they could chew". Don't they have MBAs and financial models to assess this sort of thing?
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Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @05:57PM
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> Don't they have MBAs and financial models to assess this sort of thing?
All models are wrong, some are useful.
Zillows were wrong, and apparently not useful.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by datavirtue on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:57PM
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Yeah, throw your model at: "contractors took six months longer than expected to finish the kitchen"
Extrapolate that out a hundred thousand times and you get a sense of what they were trying to manage. How did they predict remodel costs? Pre-pandemic material costs and back-of-the-napkin labor estimates?
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by kwertyoowiyop on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:22PM
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LOL. It’s kinda like estimating software!
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by datavirtue on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @10:09AM
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It's worse. These people are relying on unskilled labor hired by contractors to fulfill requirements they dreamed up in a game of telephone.
Mobilizing professional contractors is very difficult unless you are the highest bidder. And even then, shit happens...a lot.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @05:58PM
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Isn't Zillow more like a post-IPO startup than a bigcorp? If so, it makes complete sense that they might "bite off more than they could chew," (e.g. Pets.com) a lot of startups end that way.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by vineyardmike on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:20PM
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They're not amazon/google big but they're not small. They have tons of employees and billions in cash.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by yalogin on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:14PM
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If MBAs and financial models can predict slowdowns, we won't have them at all. If anything ML models will exacerbate the situation IMO and they probably relied on them too much and bought more than they should. Of course what I said is also a projection (without even an ML model), so that is not accurate either :)
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by HWR_14 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:30PM
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The models don't have to predict a slowdown. They just have to account for the total amount of risk Zillow is assuming.
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by beamatronic on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @01:29PM
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Which should really just boil down to carrying costs vs future expected profits
Re:Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lay...
by HWR_14 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @06:57PM
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Their risk model should really account for the possibility that housing prices go down. I mean, there were famously in 2008 banking firms whose models didn't even allow for that.