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Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by agumonkey on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:00AM (#29048812)
It's not thought experiment. Not long ago I was under state welfare and hosted near free. It changes how you approach your day. I was happily volunteering and working way more than people under salary (politics come into play and people start being jealous, and wanting more to do less because they don't want to be here, they "have to".. it's pain first system). Hence me saying, if people didn't have to pay rent, what would they do with their time ?
Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by VRay on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:23AM (#29048995)
I don’t think it’s necessarily the case, but I’m a little worried that a UBI utopia would end up being some sort of Judge Dredd hellscape

I’ve taken long stretches off work and done all sorts of amazing, productive stuff during that time. I have friends whom I really respect completely fall apart when nobody’s ordering them around every day though.. they stop going outside, the lack of exercise and sunlight sends their meat suits into “depression mode”, and it’s a quick downward spiral

I’m hoping that having a whole society oriented around it would result in a more positive outcome

Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by throwaway6734 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @11:03AM (#29049315)
Agree. We would definitely need some social structures the encourage people to productively use their time
Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by jokethrowaway on Saturday October 30, 2021 @12:52PM (#29050220)
Congratulations, you just invented capitalism.
Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by agumonkey on Saturday October 30, 2021 @12:54PM (#29050248)
depends on what kind of incentives

if you make people seek calm and good social bonds (through cultural creations mostly) you may avoid capitalism runaways

Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by VRay on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:14PM (#29050999)
You guys should check out some of Corey Doctorow's books or the Culture series, they describe theoretical post-scarcity futures not driven by capitalism where people still find fulfilling stuff to do
Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by agumonkey on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:42AM (#29049129)
That is quite true, I'm not fully pushing for UBI because of unplanned large scale social issues, but there needs to be a rebalancing of the system.
Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by moduspol on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:27AM (#29049021)
> Hence me saying, if people didn't have to pay rent, what would they do with their time ?

We already know. Look at housewives, people on disability, young people still living at home with their parents, and retirees. Arguably college students, too.

It is not the case that all (or most) people who don't have to pay rent suddenly spend significant amounts of their time volunteering. They pursue what they desire or find meaningful, just like everyone else. And it's not clear it's a better outcome than those who pay rent (or a mortgage).

Re:U.S. house prices are rising exponentially faster than in... by jokethrowaway on Saturday October 30, 2021 @12:42PM (#29050125)
Mhm, I would write books and toy software, mainly for myself and my kids - and definitely I would stop scrambling to provide value to someone else if I'm not rewarded in some way