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Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by jamal-kumar on Thursday October 28, 2021 @09:05AM (#29025599)
SSRIs need to be obsolesced already. Screw the sexual dysfunction, how about increaased risk of suicidal ideation? How about them taking two entire weeks to work?

The thing is the rest of the world doesn't seem to feel the burning desire to get as many people on them as possible and even have alternatives which aren't as limited. Reversible MAOI drugs like moclobemide have been around since the 90s and while they have a higher interaction profile (Can't mix it with anything serotonergic basically, so no amphetamines or cocaine or other antidepressants, which is fine), the reduced side effect profile is considered a bonus and the biggest reason for lack of adoption of this along with other treatments (It's astonishing how long we have known about the ketamine thing without using it) happens to just come down to marketing and doctors scared off by the early MAOIs where you need to strongly consider diet. The new stuff even reportedly improves sexual function. And you can't get it in the USA.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by pyronik19 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @09:12AM (#29025670)
SSRIs took me from being unable to function and leave my home due to social anxiety to knocking out the bulk of my symptoms and having a solid 15 years of being socially and professional productive. I'd prefer we keep them.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:13PM (#29029258)
There are probably a number of other drugs that could have done that, though.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:45PM (#29031707)
Heroin, interestingly enough. IIRC they screened pain medicine recipients for depressive symptoms and in this way determined opiates relieve major depression more efficaciously than SSRIs.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by jamal-kumar on Thursday November 11, 2021 @02:11PM (#29191818)
consider quitting while you're ahead.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Thursday October 28, 2021 @05:10PM (#29032037)
Yes, and a close relative (oxycodone) is something I’ve had experience with and can confirm it’s quite good at curing the depression. The problem is the permanent brain damage and/or death it will cause when taken long-term. Link < https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/hero...>
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @04:36PM (#29052096)
I don't see opiates as a tenable longterm solution but I mentioned heroin because it's only long term side effect as far as I know is constipation, which can be managed. Same with morphine.

My point in bringing this up is why accept SSRIs if they have more side effects and are less efficacious than heroin?

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Saturday October 30, 2021 @05:29PM (#29052429)
Heroin is highly addictive and has a high risk of overdose. There are alternatives to SSRIs, such as SNRIs and tricyclics.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @06:03PM (#29052649)
Both irrelevant with medical supervision. SSRIs are highly addictive too; many people never stop taking them.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Saturday October 30, 2021 @06:28PM (#29052782)
Overdose is not impossible just because there's a guy in a white suit telling you what to do. People will still take more than they should.

> SSRIs aren't addictive [1]

There are also a large number of side effects and risks associated with heroin; it's not just constipation as you say. [2]

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in....

[2] https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/heroin

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:01PM (#29053870)
Did you read your 2nd link? All of the typically bad sides in the second grouping are related to poor hygiene and needle sharing. The first grouping is more benign than most antidepressant sides.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:28PM (#29053983)
Yes, I did. Nowhere does it say that. If you want to get a point of reference for what heroin might look like if it wasn't a street drug, oxycodone is quite similar yet distributed without the additives found on the street since it is manufactured by big pharma. Still, it is associated with respiratory depression.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Sunday October 31, 2021 @01:29AM (#29054706)
I know it doesn't say that but it should be obvious most of them are due to poor IV administration. You don't need to administer heroin or morphine via IV.

True, people occasionally OD on prescription medication, but it's usually as a rebound after having the prescription withdrawn and then finding more drugs.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Sunday October 31, 2021 @01:41AM (#29054748)
That can happen with prescription drugs too though. People lose access to their insurance and then end up going off the drug too fast.

The bottom line is, don't you think if they could sell more of this drug, they would? Opiates are a pretty terrible choice for an antidepressant for multiple reasons.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by R0b0t1 on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:06PM (#29068639)
> Opiates are a pretty terrible choice for an antidepressant for multiple reasons.

You've failed to present this. That opiates are bad is just dogma left around from the first religious-linked anti-drug pushes. I think they are inappropriate, but in the same way SSRIs are inappropriate, and have explained my position.

E.g. a UK study found that if you just give people all the heroin they want they quit after 2 years. There are no other complications than constipation.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:20PM (#29068874)
> There are no other complications than constipation.

You keep saying this, ignoring the fact that I showed (with a citation) that it is addictive, which is a complication. This is a pointless discussion, since the dogma is that you are pro-opiate past the point of reason. I seriously doubt you’ve even tried this drug.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by romwell on Thursday October 28, 2021 @01:57PM (#29029015)
I've had a very positive experience with SSRIs as well (Sertraline).
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by bduerst on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:14PM (#29029265)
MAOIs have potentially serious dietary interactions and side effects. They can cause serotonin sickness just by taking it with OTC tryptophan supplements.

SSRIs are not perfect but have a safer track record of being a first-attack against depression and anxiety, before having to resort to bigger guns like MAOIs.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by jamal-kumar on Saturday October 30, 2021 @07:11PM (#29053010)
This is actually the biggest thing keeping this line of treatment from being the preference, but when it comes to reversible vs irreversible MAOIs the dietary interactions are actually not a concern![1] It was actually my first comment when I was told about this, but as it turns out you're more looking at potential drug interactions with the reversible MAOIs. The dietary interactions definitely stand with the irreversible MAOIs in the first generation antidepressants, which I think are generally reserved these days for really serious depression cases that don't respond to other treatment, or parkinsons like symptoms, or people going on jungle treks to drink shaman brews. I think the benefit of treatment kicking in immediately is really key as well, 2 weeks is a long time to wait for a drug to work when you're potentially on the brink of suicide.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1188542/

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by anon-guy on Friday October 29, 2021 @04:59AM (#29036632)
http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v20/n3/pdf/1395258a.pdf

You have to take pills more often (3x a day vs 1 a day) and only one potential benefit over SSRI which is less likelihood of sexual dysfunction.

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by jamal-kumar on Thursday November 11, 2021 @02:12PM (#29191834)
I'm pro-boner
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by Perenti on Sunday October 31, 2021 @03:01AM (#29055059)
SNRIs have resolved my suicidal ideation. I credit Effexor with saving my life. The increased risk of suicidal ideation in young anxiety patients is probably offset by the reduction in self-harm amongst the major depression people.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by diskzero on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:07PM (#29029169)
I am in the US and I have never heard of the treatments you mentioned. I guess this is your point! This makes me very sad. I am glad a SSRI worked for me, but I know that a percentage of people will also be at great risk for self-harm.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Thursday October 28, 2021 @02:11PM (#29029234)
Not to mention the sometimes lifelong brain zaps which are truly disturbing and make trying to go to sleep a terrifying experience.
Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by bruce343434 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:12PM (#29031276)
> lifelong brain zaps

Could you expand on this? Is this the "exploding head syndrome" where you have an incredibly "loud" hallucinatory experience just as you fall asleep?

Re:Post-SSRI sexual dysfunction by ironmagma on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:34PM (#29031553)
I am not a doctor and do not know the difference between brain zaps and EHS (or whether there is one), but this article[1] summarizes it well.

For me, it is a loud sound but sort of within the head, accompanied by the sensation you get when you receive an electrical shock, which of course startles you awake. This unfortunately occurs just at the boundary between consciousness and sleep, which after it happens a few times in a row can put you off the idea of even trying to sleep. Occasionally I did awaken thinking there had been a literal explosion in the building.

I haven't taken SSRIs for 3 years and still get them, albeit less than when I was weaning off of them.

[1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/brain-zaps#how-the...