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Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by tobyjsullivan on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @01:16PM (#29016136)
I don't think apple decided to "undo Ive" immediately, though. The 2019 models attempted an incremental fix approach - fix the keyboard layout, add a physical escape key - while trying to preserve the 2016 features (usb-c only, thinness, touchbar). It seems clear that it wasn't until 2021 that apple has decided to throw all the crap out entirely.
Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by cletus on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @01:26PM (#29016278)
Yeah I agree this wasn't a binary switch.

Pure speculation: the forcing function for the big changes in the latest models was the M1. That forced a redesign of probably the entire unit anyway (eg different thermals, chipsets, power requirements, etc). Prior to that the path of least resistance was incremental changes and fixes.

Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by Toutouxc on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:54PM (#29017493)
> forced a redesign of probably the entire unit

Both laptops (Air and 13" Pro) that the M1 launched in kept their previous designs. So the switch from Intel to Apple Silicon itself wasn't the cause. The switch from M1 to M1 Pro and Max, maybe. But even the previous Intel machines had some serious TDP (and thermal issues), and even that wasn't enough to justify a redesign.

Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by fragmede on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:31PM (#29017179)
Where do the 2021 Macbok Pro Intel models fit in?
Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by danaris on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:43PM (#29017341)
What 2021 MacBook Pro Intel models?

As far as I'm aware, the last Intel MBPs were released in 2020, and simply continued the 2019 design language.

Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by Toutouxc on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:55PM (#29017512)
The 13" Pro was updated to M1 together with the Air.
Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by danaris on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @03:33PM (#29017994)
Sorry, still confused. That happened in Nov 2020 (so it's not a 2021 model), and it's an M1 (so not an Intel model)...so what 2021 Intel MBP is being referred to?
Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by dylan604 on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:05PM (#29016802)
It's the 2021 model. They were working on this in 2020 maybe even 2019, but it takes time to deploy. Not that they didn't think about it until 2021. </pedantic_mode>
Re:New MacBook Pro has first ‘DIY-friendly’ battery replacem... by clairity on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @02:04PM (#29016781)
i have the 2019 mbp, bought reluctantly earlier this year after my 2015 went wonky. based on what i’d heard, i wasn’t expecting much, but it was clearly an improvement, even if it was incremental (touch id, bigger/brighter screen, better sound). the biggest obvious lack in the upgrade was the performance-battery life tradeoff, which is entirely on intel stagnating for over a decade. apple addressed these most glaring issues via the combo of m1 and more battery in the 2021. usb-c or touch bar were minor issues in comparison (that notch tho…).