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Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by bjelkeman-again on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:48PM (#29003636)
Here is where I realise how happy I am to live in a country with a pretty good educational system, which is free to any citizen who qualifies to enter.

Commercial healthcare and education seem to really bring about the worst aspects of a market economy, in some countries. Not sure where it works well, it maybe somewhere.

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by yjftsjthsd-h on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:13PM (#29004005)
> Commercial healthcare and education seem to really bring about the worst aspects of a market economy, in some countries. Not sure where it works well, it maybe somewhere.

Mostly, IMO, because they're not free markets. Healthcare actively fights price transparency, and is largely driven by fixed demand and artificially constrained supply. College costs can only do what they do because the whole thing is financed by grants and uniquely binding loans pushed on students who barely understand what they're getting into. If we could force the whole thing into an actual free market, it'd vastly improve the situation.

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by maccolgan on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @10:27PM (#29008938)
>pretty good educational system, which is free to any citizen

Just because you are not paying for it doesn't mean it has zero costs. If you're not paying for it, someone else is, the ROI burden gets shifted to the society as a whole, which is much, much worse than the burden being on an individual.

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by bjelkeman-again on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:48AM (#29027460)
We will probably have to agree to disagree on that. The cost at a technical university in Sweden, to the society is about USD 10 k/year [1]. MIT is 77 k/year [2]. MIT is ranked first in the world. KTH (89) and Chalmers (121) in Sweden are ranked top 10% in the listed 1300 [3]

Is it better for society to get a decent education for a low cost, for society as a whole? It seems to work for Sweden, and many other European countries. [4]

[1] https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helårsstudent_och_helårspresta...

[2] https://sfs.mit.edu/undergraduate-students/the-cost-of-atten...

[3] https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-un...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by imtringued on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @03:37AM (#29010538)
German universities tend to kick you out just as quickly as let you in. When the students are paying thousands in tuition you can't do that. You'll let them stay to get their tuition money even if you're wasting the time of that student.
Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by anamax on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @09:31PM (#29008617)
> which is free to any citizen who qualifies to enter.

Ah yes, "qualifies".

How many citizens "qualify"?

The number of people who qualify is decided by two people - the person allocating money and the person running the education system.

The person allocating the money says "I'll give you {amount}". The person running the education system says "{amount} will let us educate {number}".

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by Jensson on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @09:56PM (#29008754)
> The person allocating the money says "I'll give you {amount}". The person running the education system says "{amount} will let us educate {number}".

Nah, they say "I'll give you {amount} to educate {number}", and then the educator tries to do as much as possible with the resources they got. There is no negotiation about either {amount} or {number}, other than trying to argue that amount or number needs to be changed because quality or industry wants more/less.

Re:Is college worth it? A return-on-investment analysis by anamax on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @12:51AM (#29009668)
My point stands - the number who "qualify" is decided by two bureaucracies. One decides how much money to spend, the other spends it.

In such a system, it's typical that one bureaucracy decides what "qualify" means.

And another decides what "educate" means.