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Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by 6510 on Monday October 25, 2021 @04:35PM (#28992795)
If the car was used multiple shootings, the same phone was in that area and the phone was used to search for the victims name every time then we have everything we need but are unwilling to use it?

We can probably figure out how to extract such data and cross reference it without making any of it available to random government employees.

Say you take pictures of license plates, store the data some place safe and allow a query of 5 recent armed robbery locations. If the result contains multiple cars matching 2 locations no results are returned. The moment a 6th robbery happens and a single car matches 3 out of 5 law enforcement can start looking for it immediately.

Sure, you'd get pretty mad if every time you get robbed the police searches your vehicle but they don't need to break anything and you will get over it.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Talanes on Monday October 25, 2021 @04:44PM (#28992883)
>Sure, you'd get pretty mad if every time you get robbed the police searches your vehicle but they don't need to break anything and you will get over it.

Or I'll stop calling the police, especially if that first invasive experience doesn't end with my belongings returned.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by blacksmith_tb on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:32PM (#28993399)
Well, generally you need to file a police report to file an insurance claim, so whether or not they do you any good (or even harm), you don't have a lot of alternatives (unless you don't have insurance, in which case you also don't have a lot of alternatives, likely).
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Talanes on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:55PM (#28995904)
I've never been wealthy enough to insure my belongings, so my experience with trying to make police reports for theft have not only felt like a waste of time, the officers I've filled with have directly told me I'm wasting my time (and implied I'm wasting theirs) whenever I have made a report.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by vel0city on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @12:46AM (#28996497)
In the US, it is common to carry renter's insurance. It covers liability you as a renter might have for damages to the landlord's property such as water, fire, or other kinds of damage. It also usually covers your belongings as well. That coverage usually applies to your belongings regardless of where they are and covers things like theft. Bike get stolen from a bike rack? Backpack get stolen from a car? Usually covered, with deductibles, of course.

A lot of people I know who carry renter's insurance were unaware it covered their stuff like that. YMMV on what is and is not covered though.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by 6510 on Monday October 25, 2021 @04:58PM (#28993048)
Right, that seems a whole different problem that should really be addressed. In the Netherlands the police are the politest people one could ever meet. It takes very few complaints about politeness or excess force to lose the job. Ofc on the flip side they are also highly incompetent, have no tools, get to see just about ever crook released, are under paid and are very unprofessional. But polite, woah!
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by vimacs2 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:58PM (#28993649)
Cute attempt at establishing a completely made up dichotomy but generally the politeness of a police force is correlated with how effective it is, not inversely.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by 6510 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:01PM (#29009108)
The work involves more than talking with people. They do get the full effect out of being polite but their effectiveness is hurt by a long list of things. For example, we can always spend more money on it. People will always find a way to spend more money. I would scale the budget with how long it takes to do basic things. If those take much to long they either need funding or have to prioritize tasks. Things like interview the witness before GC kicks in. There are crappy security cameras everywhere but the free plan doesn't store the recordings for very long. etc There are countless stupid stories.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Talanes on Friday October 29, 2021 @07:39PM (#29044694)
Talking with people is kind of most of the job though.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by AlbertCory on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:27PM (#28993969)
There's a pretty broad statement. Evidence?
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by elzbardico on Monday October 25, 2021 @09:56PM (#28995549)
Of course. In places with low crime levels, the police can afford not being completely stressed to the point they become psychos.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by NullPrefix on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:26PM (#28993347)
>Or I'll stop calling the police, especially if that first invasive experience doesn't end with my belongings returned.

Oh my sweet summer child. Calling the police is never about getting the belongings back. Calling the police is only about striking the perpetrator with violence, hoping that it would equalize the karma levels.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Zababa on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:30PM (#28993380)
> Calling the police is only about striking the perpetrator with violence, hoping that it would equalize the karma levels.

Or, you know, prevent them from doing crimes again.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by mulmen on Monday October 25, 2021 @08:15PM (#28994935)
Rehabilitation is clearly not a high priority in the US Justice system. See: outcomes.

It's a vengeance based system.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by ineedasername on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:19PM (#28996039)
vengeance

Unfortunately. But the criminal still can't commit crimes while in prison though. Vengeance just also means that solving the problem of any individual criminal is usually only temporary.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by mulmen on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @05:46AM (#28998320)
Well there can still be rehabilitation with captivity. The US system just doesn’t prioritize that. We prefer punishment, even though outcomes are worse for everyone.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by ineedasername on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:30AM (#28999003)
Agreed. There are things like GED and college programs, but they can have long waiting lists. Makes it a bit ironic if you have to commit a crime bad enough to get a multi-year sentence to get into an education program in prison. There more to rehabilitation though, and exclusion from a vast number of jobs after getting out of jail doesn't really help the rehab process.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by elzbardico on Monday October 25, 2021 @09:49PM (#28995503)
inmates have found that is pretty hard to commit the same crimes that put them in jail while they are behind the bars.

It should count for anything.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by mulmen on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @05:47AM (#28998333)
Until they get out, have no life skills and no prospects because they have been excluded from society then re-offend and the cycle continues.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by 6510 on Monday October 25, 2021 @05:51PM (#28993600)
I'm beginning to see that now. Its just like the aggressive down voting shootin from the hip. People here cant even entertain the technical challenge of it - eventho the problem is [apparently] assumed to be impossible. I knew US police had a bad rep but I never imagined the service to be this worthless.

I often think we need to bring back something like monks who selflessly deliver a service in exchange for an isolated life of study and meditation.

We have way to many shit people who cant be trusted with anything and make poor company.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by s5300 on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:39PM (#28994062)
The police in my hometown consist of:

* A dude who managed solid D grades throughout elementary and middle school despite a good & supportive family life & voluntarily chose to hold himself back a grade (8th grade) to "have a better chance of a football career to get into the NFL"

* A dude who, for as long as I can literally remember, talked about how he was going to be some kickass marine. Talked about it all the time, for years. He was also a solid D (even in shop class) student & football player. Not only did he fail, to my knowledge, in every metric required to be a marine - he managed to fail, which I truly didn't know was possible, every metric required to be an army grunt - except presumably the physical requirements. It wouldn't be hard for me to imagine him failing a cardio requirement tho.

This dude couldn't get in the lowest levels of our fucking army. I really only thought you could be disqualified for things like admitting to drugs or having felonies, but he managed to fuck up some test of intelligence they require.

* & several generations of people who are similar fuckups like these two.

Now, what do people like this on a police force manage to get up to?

Last month, there was a domestic violence call somewhere in the town. By the time the cops got there, dude was out on the curb, in his car, with his kid (wife had said he had a gun and threatened her with it, he did not have a gun)

Police haphazardly blocked him into the curb with their cruisers, and surrounded him with their guns out, in a crossfire with themselves. Proceeded to scream absolutely incoherent shit at the dude, while he's in the turned off & parked car with his hands clearly visible on the wheel - kid in the back seat, for about 10 minutes. Dude finally decides nothing good is going to come out of this & decides to attempt to leave. Turns car on, very slowly tries to turn out of how they'd blocked him in, and very slightly bumps a cruisers bumper (nobody was in the cruiser)

One cop then randomly decides to shoot. Keep in mind, I earlier mentioned the cops put themselves in their own crossfire. I have absolutely no fucking idea how, but one cop shot the other cop in the shoulder. This was the very first bullet fired by anybody, and as stated, the perp didn't even have a gun.

Cop yells out he's hit, and then all cops present go fish in a fucking barrel on the car, with the child in it, to the tune of 67 bullets IIRC.

The local news &, as you can assume, all Facebook groups, report that the man opened fire on police, and that the cops had then killed him. All comment sections swarmed with the local painkiller addicted retirement community saying "good, he should be dead" - and that reporting is now unchallengeable canon in their dementia ridden but still able to vote minds.

There's still an ongoing investigation by the state as to how the chucklefuck cop managed to go full retard enough to blast his buddy, but having gone on so long I'm sure it's going to end up as another "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing"

The service isn't "worthless"

It's downright fucking dangerous to anything and everything around it, like the person legally in the crosswalk, who was hit at 120mph+ by a cop SUV and turned into mostly red mist, no significant body parts to be found, by one of the squadrons of cops responding to the aforementioned call.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by dang on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:49PM (#28995867)
Can you please make your substantive points without fulminating and name-calling? That's in the site guidelines. I realize you're talking about an important life-and-death issue/incident and that this material is highly activating. But internet snark and putdowns don't help—they just degrade things further and evoke worse from others.

We could especially do without "the local painkiller addicted retirement community" saying and "their dementia ridden but still able to vote minds". That's a slur, and those are not welcome here, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by kortilla on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:25AM (#28996699)
Do you have a link to where this happened? A cop going 120mph in response do a domestic incident doesn’t sound normal.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by s5300 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:55AM (#28996877)
I could send it to you personally, but that 100% doxx's myself, something I'm not particularly trying to do.

The article itself doesn't mention the speed anywhere - though this is my first time actually reading it. The reason I'm otherwise aware of the speed is because a family member is on the city council and also the head of our emergency department.

The officer driving died (at the aforementioned emergency room), first time I'm seeing of that. I was aware he was badly injured, but didn't think it was death. The front of the SUV looks just about like what you'd presume 100mph+ does.

> A cop going 120mph in response do a domestic incident doesn’t sound normal.

This is part of the point I'm trying to make. It's a common feature amongst small towns, especially in the MidWest, of cops being complete and utter menaces to society. He hit two other cars as well, fortunately no passengers were injured. None of which had to happen, all of which happened because of a cop wanting to go hero mode and break laws for a measly domestic call he wasn't even needed at. Responding to shots fired they say, not telling him it was his own men's shots...

Hilariously, not a singular article of many states anything about the fact it was entirely his fault. Box truck he slammed into was crossing the intersection with a green light, unaware of the cop barreling down the street without even turning his sirens on until he'd nearly hit him. Small town reporting for you I guess. Incident "still under investigation" by the highway patrol...

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Igelau on Monday October 25, 2021 @08:52PM (#28995154)
> Oh my sweet summer child

Tell us the one about the Long Night and the Others, Old Nan!

Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by Talanes on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:56PM (#28995909)
I don't disagree, but I'm not in a social stratum where calling the police is likely to even get me that.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by baremetal on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:00PM (#29003825)
way to blame the victim buddy.
Re:Feds order Google to track people searching certain names... by ineedasername on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:15PM (#28996015)
I'm not sure that putting the data into a metaphorical locked-box is sufficient. Someone with an interest in seeing the data will always have the keys. What you describe is not completely different from the purpose that FISA courts are supposed to serve, and I don't think those are a great success in protecting freedom and privacy according to the Constitution.