I'm conflicted about this.

So the research group React19, for instance which is dealing with vaccine complications since end of 2020, supposedly has 5,000 people it has been in contact with (from where supposedly 6 people had committed suicide - according to Kyle, who's also been talking with the group). They have conducted a survey, there was a following question:

Are you the only one in your family to have a persistent adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes: 142 No: 13

So out of 155 respondents, 13 had another family member who had persistent adverse reaction. What is the average count of family members per people? This implies a lot more frequent persistent adverse reactions from vaccines that is generally reported so far.

At least I would like this being addressed somehow.

And similarly looking at anecdotal stories, there are often couples who have had persistent adverse effects, and there was just now a video story John Campbell showed where 2 training partners together were diagnosed with one pericarditis and the other one with myocarditis. If there's multiple people together getting this diagnosis with the frequency I'm seeing, it seems it's generally under reported.

According to the same survey top symptoms are

1) Fatigue

2) Brain fog

and heart issues only comes next.

I definitely don't want 1) and 2) either, so I'm just waiting for someone to address all of this.

Hi is there other react19 groups in other countries like in NZ. Would this group promote setting up other similar groups in other western countries like NZ

Please can a group like this be set up in all western countries ie NZ

Many people believe that autoimmune and/or psycho-somatic disorders are vastly underdiagnosed in the populace, that there are millions of Americans undiagnosed with those disorders. If so, having a few thousand coincidentally appear after vaccination is likely just that, coincidence.

And those are nasty diseases. I have one friend with Guillaim Barre as a side effect of H1N1, one friend with Myalgic Encephalomyelitis as a side effect of H1N1 and a cousin with Lupus.

So doing all you can to avoid these diseases is smart.

Which means getting COVID and flu vaccines. Even if the vaccine causes these chronic diseases, it does so at a very low rate compared to the actual disease. Millions of Americans already have long COVID. Herd immunity may eventually protect future generations of Americans and current citizens of New Zealand and Singapore, but it's not going to protect the current citizens of the US.

Shouldn't it be a person behaviour dependant decision - whether to take the vaccine?

E.g. for example, currently I calculate myself to be near people that in theory it would be possible to catch covid only around 5-6 hours per week, 3h from it outside, and 3h inside gym at times when gym is fairly empty and it's easy for me to hold a 3m+ distance from everyone. Besides that I work from home, and order everything in.

Considering everyday infection rate I can calculate from that what my chances of getting covid are based on how much I think other people on average spend around other people, or their families. This would be back of the napkin calculation, but wouldn't that be fair to assess chances of getting covid?

These may be some odd coincidences -- although personally based on my readings of those anecdotal stories I don't see how. But even if let's say they might be coincidences, how can I know for sure?

I also thought and am aware of the fact if there's a disease that is diagnosed at least e.g. 365,000 times a year and if all people would eat ice-cream once a year, then there would be 1,000 people getting that diagnosis just the next day, but I feel like the patterns are too similar for the stories I've read.

My wife (a physician) has heard tons of stories from people who were in very strict isolation for 6, 9, 12, 15 months and then did Thanksgiving or Christmas at their kids house once, got COVID and ended up in the hospital.

In comparison you're at much higher risk than they were since you're not in isolation. COVID is endemic in the US and most of the world, so your chance of eventually getting it is approximately 100%.

Once you get it, your risk of dying is between 1 and 20 in 1000 depending on your age and risk factors. Your risk of getting long COVID is approximately 1 in 10. Most long COVID isn't chronic illness, but some is, and it's awful.

In comparison, your risk of a mild heart infection from the vaccine is less than 1 in 100,000 and any other risks are less than that.

And for prevalency, still, there seems to be too many situations where people in the same family or partners together have got issues. How would there be so many occurrences if it was truly so rare?

I have seen this from many anecdotal stories, but also here's one that is available as a video post - for added legitimacy:

https://youtu.be/Gz0I_v-ihsE?t=1395

This is for heart issues.

Besides that with most of those stories it goes hand in hand that doctors don't know what to diagnose, or they have no idea how to treat what they are seeing and it doesn't end up get reported as well -- this is what I've seen as a pattern from all the stories I've read.

By the way, I really wish I could just do the shot, since I'm tired of being afraid as well, so if someone managed to convince me that I'm worrying about nothing, it would be great.

I can't convince you you're worried about nothing. All I can do is convince you that you have to choose between a risk with low odds and a risk with high odds.

I need some resource that would convince me since this has taken a huge mental toll on me. Not to mention the fact that I'm researching this daily and my thoughts are focused around it, I also feel the pressure from government and all the people being against me. The feeling like I'm to blame for the pandemic is immense.

For example with the arguments that you made, I don't see how it's mathematically, statistically or in any way likely/possible, that heart inflammation rate is just 1 out of 100,000 or less.

The reason being I've seen reports of multiple people getting the diagnosis after the vaccine together, as one example in the video that I showed.

Back of the napkin math again: Let's say we have 2 billions of vaccinated people. And let's divide this into 2 groups of 1 bil, and let's say that for each person there's one other person in the other group that they are most connected or tied to, e.g. it could be said that they are partners or a couple. Because the way I've tried to understand how serious the issue could be is whether in those anecdotes I see both people having issues.

If the likelihood is 1 out of 100,000, then we would expect from group A to end up with 1B/100K, I would expect to see 10,000 affected people over the world.

Now, for each of those 10,000 they have a partner from the group B. The chances for each of their partners to have this same issue should be 1/100,000.

So this comes to roughly there being only a chance of 10% (around 9.5% to be a bit more precise) for there to be any partners with long term issue. So we have this anecdotal video from YouTube. Is whoever sent the video doing a hoax? And the other anecdotal stories with couples/partners both having long term issues, are all of those hoaxes?

I'm in one of the age groups and genders having the highest chances of heart inflammation issues and one at the same time one of the lowest to have issues with covid.

I agree that long covid is a real danger, but just recently some study came out that vaccines may not reduce chances of long covid, just hospitalisations/deaths.

I mean there's too much data that doesn't make sense, the anecdotal stories I'm seeing don't make sense based on usual claims for all the rates and Pfizer studies and everything that I'm seeing.

How can I do anything, if none of this seems to make sense? I feel like I'm slowly going crazy.