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Re:A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco by inglor_cz on Sunday October 24, 2021 @04:56AM (#28976052)
Norway has 5 million people in total, and used to be very homogeneous. I think it was Robert Putnam who showed that with increasing diversity, you will get less solidarity and openness/trust towards strangers.

Homelessness may be a solved problem in Norway, but it does not mean that Norwegian solution is readily transplantable into San Francisco. Much like we failed to transplant modern way of life to Afghanistan.

Re:A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco by ZeroGravitas on Sunday October 24, 2021 @07:05AM (#28976754)
> Much like we failed to transplant modern way of life to Afghanistan.

Which attempt are you talking about. The 3 times the British empire invaded, the three times the Soviet Union invaded or the latest Nato-American invasion.

(Historically there was the Sikh, Mugal, Muslim invasions too, etc. etc.)

Possibly the locals got a poor view of western "civilization" by being on the wrong end of its armies multiple times.

Strangely, I agree with your general point, but possibly from the opposite direction.

For example, when Finland was doing its equivalent of the New Deal, I find it unlikely there were any Finn's that would try to use that as political leverage to delay anti-lynching laws and vice-versa.

Racists seem to be one of the most corrosively self-defeating forces in human society.

Re:A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco by saargrin on Monday October 25, 2021 @03:34AM (#28985304)
Regarding Afghanistan, you forget to mention that part of history where Afghanis raided and conquered large parts of what is now India (the Durani empire and Babur come to mind) , not to mention raiding into Persia and Merv

Its hard to pretend Afghanis' view of "civilization" was formed by the British "invasion" which was not permanent

Re:A cautionary tale from the streets of San Francisco by ZeroGravitas on Monday October 25, 2021 @08:15AM (#28986915)
Excellent additional detail, but not sure how it interacts with my point?

I think someone invading you (3 times) is highly likely to give you an opinion about them and their ideals, even if they fail, but maybe the Afghanis are a bit more "forgive and forget" than most.