Can we trust Microsoft with open source?

Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by 5e92cb50239222b on Saturday October 23, 2021 @11:58AM (#28969685)

Ugh. I've been using dotnet core on Linux since it was introduced. While it mostly works fine, I always had the feeling that Linux (and mac probably also) is a second class citizen. They care about Linux compatibility inasmuch as it allows you to build the application on a Linux-powered CI server and deploy to another Linux server. Developing outside of Windows? most of their tools are not available or have a greatly diminished feature set (for example, you can take a memory dump of a running dotnet application, but can't really inspect it without a Windows VM).

If not for JetBrains Rider, dotnet development on Linux would be close to impossible IMHO.

When looking for my next gig I'll probably be switching to something else.

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Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by copperx on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:17PM (#28969860)

Is Jetbrains Rider acceptable for .NET work under Linux, or do you miss Visual Studio proper?

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Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by shade on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:41PM (#28971119)

Personally, I prefer Rider to VS on all platforms, including Windows. It has much better performance, feels like a modern IDE, and after doing Java for a few years in between .NET gigs using IntelliJ I've gotten to prefer how IntelliJ-platform IDEs work anyway. The "Structure" pane is super useful.

Whereas, Visual Studio... well, let me just say first that I know real people work on that product, some of them are probably reading this, and if so, I appreciate you.

Unfortunately, every time I've ended up having to switch from Rider to Visual Studio for some edge case scenario or to do an Azure deployment (before we moved that process into CI), I'd end up frustrated. Even with VS 2022, which is better, it's slow compared to Rider. Also, despite a couple of cosmetic coats of paint and new icons and such for VS'22, it doesn't really feel like a modern IDE or like it's changed noticeably since 2010 or so. Granted, stability is often a plus, but there's a ton of workloads in there that I don't think are relevant to a modern cross platform .NET Core 3.x/.NET 5/6 development experience and I suspect supporting all of that is a factor in why it's so slow.

I haven't even gotten into how much worse the performance in VS gets when you add ReSharper to the mix, and even with all the genuine refactoring improvements in VS in the past decade, I still feel like I'm working with a couple of broken fingers when I don't have ReSharper active. Better refactorings, better intellisense.

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Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by Ristovski on Saturday October 23, 2021 @01:03PM (#28970266)

I haven't had much experience with .NET on Visual Studio, but I would say that Jetbrains Rider is probably the best thing you can get for .NET work on Linux.

As a matter of fact, they implemented their own hot-reload functionality themselves [0][1].

[0] - https://twitter.com/JetBrainsRider/status/145148793146664961... [1] - https://www.jetbrains.com/rider/nextversion/

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Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by 5e92cb50239222b on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:36PM (#28971083)

I actually preferred Rider even before fully moving my .NET work to Linux. If you have any experience with IDEA, you'll feel right at home (they are very similar and can be operated with pretty much the exact same shortcuts).

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Re:Can we trust Microsoft with open source? by LandR on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:06PM (#28970850)

Even on windows I prefer rider. Less resource intensive,faster and crashes less for me.

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