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Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by marcinzm on Saturday October 23, 2021 @11:54AM (#28969636)
Here's the issue. Google can use private data in the US to design a model such as say a personal voice assistant. It then deploys this model in the EU and then uses no EU private data either for training or running it live. Google can then use non-private data to adjust the model to the EU market.

A company in the EU has to design the whole model with no private data which means they will have more difficulty competing with Google rather than less.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by MisterBastahrd on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:31PM (#28969979)
That would only work for the percentage of the European population who uses English as their primary language. It'd be damned near useless.
Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by marcinzm on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:47PM (#28970125)
I already noted that and plenty of languages are spoken outside the EU aside from just English.

>Google can then use non-private data to adjust the model to the EU market.

Google can do everything a EU-only company can do. They can also do things a EU-only company cannot do. The reverse is not true. So at worst they'll be roughly as good and at best much better.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by throwawayay02 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @01:02PM (#28970254)
And why is the company EU-only? What X-only company is trying to compete with Google anyways?
Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by MisterBastahrd on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:11PM (#28970884)
No they won't.

There are regional differences between the same language that can be pretty severe, all the way down to the pronoun level.

So, no they can't.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by marcinzm on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:38PM (#28971090)
I don't think you understand the point. Google can get all the same data as an EU company. They literally can do the same job an an EU company by simply not leveraging US data. The fact they have US data doesn't mean they are forbidden of getting EU compliant data like any other company.

They can also get US data that doesn't follow EU privacy requirements. So Google has two source of data they can combine into a better product.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by jboy55 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @09:07PM (#28973945)
The same goes for the US. but there are always regional differences, the bigger point is that people are not just a simple lookup table, they can adapt to a personal assistant that only understands an imperfect understanding by changing they way they speak to the device. People will do this without even being conscious of it.
Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by MisterBastahrd on Sunday October 24, 2021 @12:57PM (#28979710)
Nope.

In the US the dialects are very similar and usually separated mostly by accent.

When dealing with different countries, entire groups of words do not mean the same thing because either (a) the language has changed, or (b) those things literally did not exist at the time the split occurred. Training an AI on Parisian French will result in an utterly broken experience for Haitian French and Cajun French.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by jboy55 on Monday October 25, 2021 @03:32PM (#28992087)
My point is, that if you trained an AI on Parisian French, people in Quebec would be annoyed but could adapt to the differences if they wanted to use the system. People in southern Germany may be annoyed they have to speak high German, but they know it. There are very few people, if any, who only understand Cajun French and the issue.

Also, the biggest difference would be the pronunciation differences vs words being different. The word differences are easily modeled after any ASR, if the developer understands the differences and plans for it in their NLU models.

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by kevingadd on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:05PM (#28969736)
Poverty wages, child labor, ignoring emissions regulations, evading taxes, etc are all ways a company could improve margins and charge lower prices. That doesn't mean you want to legalize all of that just to compete in the global market.
Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by pessimizer on Saturday October 23, 2021 @01:54PM (#28970744)
It's ultimately going to be a race to the bottom if you allow companies who engage in those practices all over the world into your market on even terms. That's honestly what tariffs are for. Tax your citizens for engaging in commerce with companies that gain efficiencies through operating in ways that disagree with local values.
Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by MichaelZuo on Saturday October 23, 2021 @07:07PM (#28973263)
Couldn’t you use the same line of argument for tariffs on a vast number of imports? (Electronics, software, services, etc.)

It could even extend to most consumer product. e.g. Some obscure chemical compound for plastics is much more costly to produce in an environmentally friendly way, therefore it’s nearly all produced in the least regulated jurisdictions, therefore the compound and all derivative products have to be tariffed from those jurisdictions?

Re:Google said it had successfully ‘slowed down’ European pr... by marcinzm on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:14PM (#28969838)
Why do you put words in my mouth that we should legalize something when I said nothing of the kind? If this is how you react when someone points out flaws with a legislative approach then good luck ever getting one that isn't flawed.