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Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by Factorium on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:38PM (#28937735)
https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks...

Top stock owned by members of congress -

Pfizer #6

Johnson and Johnson #7

Moderna stock up 387% YoY: https://investinganswers.com/articles/10-most-popular-stocks...

Bill Gates invested $55million into BioNTech in October 2019: https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det...

Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery forced to get vaccines? Why are children when COVID presents no risk to them?

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by luxuryballs on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:53PM (#28937883)
my pet theory on the new push to vaccinate children is they didn’t get as many adults as they expected and need to make up for the sales so now they are marketing to children/parents
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by tjr on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:26PM (#28938183)
Novavax looks like an interesting alternative. Not quite available yet, but probably soon.
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by AndrewBissell on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:30PM (#28938222)
There was just an announcement of major delays in production and availability relating to the supply chain problems going on. More generally, I'm skeptical that it's advisable to continue administering vaccines which target the spike protein of the original Wuhan strain.
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by tjr on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:34PM (#28938263)
Referring to the Politico article based on the anonymous source? Not sure about that; Novavax immediately put out a release today that they are still on target to submit for approval in various countries yet this year.

Agreed, I'm not sure of the value of continuing to target the original virus, but it sounds like Novavax offers decent protection against known variants also.

More interestingly, their vaccine directly exposes you to the spike protein, rather than telling your body to fabricate it.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by AndrewBissell on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:42PM (#28938334)
Yeah it definitely seems less risky than the mRNA/adenoviral-vector approach. I know a guy in the Phase 3 trials who had some really bad side effects from the shots, but they only lasted a day. Unfortunately now he's stuck because the mandates all require one of the authorized vaccines, and there's essentially no data on whether it would be safe for him to take one after Novavax.
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by tjr on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:46PM (#28938364)
I have heard of companies accepting Novavax trial participants as meeting the mandate requirements. Might be worth asking.

Or if he is needing a booster shot... yeah, that's a little harder right now. I think some trial participants (in England?) were approved for taking a different vaccine as a booster, but if can possibly hold out, waiting for more Novavax seems to make more sense to me.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by blcknight on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @09:03PM (#28938962)
The CDC guidelines explicitly state clinical trial participants are ok for the mandate. My company has a mandate and I’m fine since I was part of the AstraZeneca trial.
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by aesh2Xa1 on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @10:55PM (#28939690)
It makes sense that wealthy and powerful people would invest in popular companies.

It makes sense that vaccine producers would be popular companies during two years of pandemic.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by nuerow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:14AM (#28942127)
> It makes sense that wealthy and powerful people would invest in popular companies.

It should also be noted that even in the US, the bastion of economic liberalism and extreme capitalism, only 15% of all families own stock[1].

Also, it was reported a couple off days ago that 89% of all stock are owned by only 10% of americans[2]. So, Bill Gates owning stock is not relevant or meaningful.

Lastly, Bill Gates at most invested 55 million on BioNTech[3]. We're talking about a guy whose fortune is evaluated at around 135 BILLION dollars. To put things in perspective, this is equivalent to a guy who has $1 million investing $350 on a company. Come on.

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/teresaghilarducci/2020/08/31/mo...

[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/18/the-wealthiest-10percent-of-...

[3] https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-det...

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by nuerow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @04:52AM (#28941987)
> Why are people with COVID antibodies from successful recovery forced to get vaccines?

"Successful recoveries" alone is not an indication that you are now immune to COVID-19 or able to handle a reinfection well. There are reported cases of reinfections, with the second COVID-19 infection being far more serious and even deadly.

Also, it has been observed that vaccination ensures a better antibody response to some variants than a prior infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Even though none of the current batch of vaccines ensure perfect immunity, they all do ensure that the immune response to subsequent infections is good enough to not even warrant any additional care beyond quarantine to avoid transmitting to anyone else.

Anyone can find answers to those questions with a quick Google search. What happened to "I do my own research"?

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by peteradio on Thursday October 21, 2021 @09:53AM (#28944384)
When you get to "reported cases of" anecdotes that the researchers were specifically targeting to find you might want to consider the reduction factors involved. Or even the potential for selecting a biased dataset based on false positives.

Correct interpretation of research is more important than finding this or that paper. Kentucky study was not about antibody response so I'm not sure how you are using that to back up your assertion. Instead it was a theoretically more direct look in to patient outcomes, however follow own studies over larger populations seem to be in tension with the Kentucky result.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by HelixEndeavor on Thursday October 21, 2021 @10:09AM (#28944638)
"reported cases" is not the same thing as "statistics show." As someone who was diagnosed with COVID in August, was out of commission for a week and a half, and recovered fully, I'll need more convincing than "this happened once, maybe even twice" to believe it's worth it to get the shot.
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by nuerow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @11:17AM (#28945664)
> "reported cases" is not the same thing as "statistics show."

Do you understand that statistics are calculated from reported cases? I mean, statistics is literally the discipline that concerns the collection, organization, analysis, interpretation, and presentation of data.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by help_quanted on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:54PM (#28937899)
Actually, delta is hospitalizing and killing children at a significantly increased rate relative to the initial virus.

Congress is going to hold blue chip stocks..what specious argument are you're trying to make?

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by Factorium on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:04PM (#28938003)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

COVID deaths ages 0-17: 542, out of a total of 723,880 total COVID deaths.

0.075% of COVID deaths.

Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by grillvogel on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:04PM (#28938002)
source on "significantly increased"? children are more at risk from the flu
Re:COVID vaccine injury claims mount, but recourse is lackin... by nuerow on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:56AM (#28942345)
> source on "significantly increased"?

Perhaps the New York Times newspiece from a couple months ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/09/health/coronavirus-childr...