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Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by baybal2 on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @05:47PM (#28937183)
> were stuck on relatively outdated x86-64 CPUs.

We came to a point when X86 is faster to emulate, than to run on a more modern microarchitecture.

One point is clear: per-transistor performance of X86 is dimishing with each new core generation, and it is already losing to M1.

X86 makers will not be able to keep up for long. They will have to keep releasing bigger, and hotter chips to keep parity, until they cannot.

Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by Slartie on Thursday October 21, 2021 @03:09AM (#28941331)
> We came to a point when X86 is faster to emulate, than to run on a more modern microarchitecture.

Since you are clearly referring to Rosetta 2:

- It is not an emulation. It is a translation. That alone is a 10-100x speed difference.

- It is not always faster; it highly depends on the specific code to run. Some code is miraculously faster, some is only at about 50% or lower.

- The comparison is "apples vs. oranges" because it's only comparing against Intel Macs, which do not use the fastest x86-64 chips on the market. Most importantly, AMD processors are not included in this comparison at all.

Constructing a general superiority of ARM vs. x86 based on this flawed premise is really far-fetched.

Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by calaphos on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:18PM (#28938624)
Per transistor performance in M1 isn't any better than the x86 opposition, quite the opposite in fact. The standard M1 has 60% more transistors than a current gen Ryzen mobile chip, while having halve the large cores (and significantly worse multi ore performance).
Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by baybal2 on Thursday October 21, 2021 @03:19AM (#28941383)
You need to compare cores alone, not whole SoCs, with cache.
Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by 2muchcoffeeman on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @08:48PM (#28938864)
What are you comparing? M1 is an SOC.
Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by kcb on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @10:15PM (#28939495)
Ryzen mobile chips are also SOCs.
Re:Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score by nly on Thursday October 21, 2021 @04:36AM (#28941886)
I think in 10-15 years the majority of the market, laptop or otherwise, will still be x86.

For me what the M1 shows is not that x86 is dead and ARM is the future, or even that Intel or AMD are toast, it's that the days of the traditional socketed CPU and modular RAM are numbered.

10 years from now we'll all be using gigantic 32 core x86 SoC's with onboard RAM and GPU, and perhaps people on HN cheering on Apple now won't be when hobbiest PC building is a thing of the past.