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Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by joe_the_user on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:48AM (#28927206)
The thing about phones and laptops is that they have the excuse that miniaturization makes this necessary (it's still an excuse but it's better cover). And current systems essentially have the lifetime of the battery.

Cars should be a different story but we'll have to fight for that even.

Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by hunter2_ on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @01:57AM (#28927268)
And ingress protection, which requires excellent seals, which need a bit of know-how (i.e., a shop) to correctly reapply. At least that's what I like to tell myself.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by richardw on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @02:30AM (#28927427)
2025: “But the chassis is the battery! Absolutely needs to be disposable”
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by bestouff on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @02:14AM (#28927346)
Cars too need miniaturisation and sealing. To an extent.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by KptMarchewa on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:42AM (#28929118)
Which laptops actually do that? Besides the fanless macbook air, overwhelming majority of laptops ingest and push out air.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by BenjiWiebe on Thursday October 21, 2021 @02:08PM (#28948588)
My Samsung Galaxy S5 is IP67 rated. I can pop the back cover with my fingernail and swap the battery in seconds.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by hoseja on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @02:33AM (#28927439)
Cars use the battery as a structural component.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by dotancohen on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @03:41AM (#28927882)
Not at all. The batteries are often mounted _inside_ structural components, but they themselves are not load bearing.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by hoseja on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @03:42AM (#28927888)
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by dotancohen on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @04:08AM (#28928051)
That is a battery pack, not a battery.

Battery packs are structural components for safety reasons more than anything. Weight and volume savings are secondary to safety in regards to anything with high energy density, be it a battery pack, fuel cell, or gas tank.

But though they _contain_ batteries, a battery pack is not a battery any more than a car is an engine. The battery inside the battery pack remains non-structural and non-load-bearing.

Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by hoseja on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @04:38AM (#28928253)
>with the battery cells helping to solidify the platform as one big unit

The individual cylinders are made from steel. The steel is used structurally. Perhaps next you'll tell me the "battery" is actually just the anode, cathode and electrolyte?

Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by pedrocr on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @04:59AM (#28928402)
As far as I can tell so far no one has used the individual cell cylinders as load bearing components, only the battery box. Tesla's "structural battery" is aiming to do that and have the individual cell cylinders carry loads.
Re:Study: Recycled Lithium Batteries as Good as Newly Mined by dotancohen on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:03AM (#28928830)
You're right! My brief skim of the article overlooked that very important detail.

Thank you.

> Perhaps next you'll tell me the "battery" is actually just the anode, cathode and electrolyte?

No, next I'll tell you that this isn't Reddit and you don't have to be a dick to "win an argument on the internet". On HN you can simply point out the facts, like you did above.