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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by zuminator on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:16PM (#28911065)
I have never owned a Mac anything but the addition of an SD card slot is making this seem very attractive to me. Conversely the latest Surface Pro eliminated its little hidden microSD card reader, seems inexcusable for a device marketed as "Pro" and has really put a damper on my desire to upgrade.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by crazysim on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:43PM (#28914316)
Who wants to take bets on the next Surface Pro restoring the reader?
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Sharlin on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:08PM (#28913451)
*restoration of the SD card slot.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by justinator on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:32PM (#28913599)
A USB micro SD card reader is essentially pennies.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by apostacy on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:21PM (#28914187)
What cost does an sdcard slot impose? What is the benefit of removing it?

It is the size of a thumbnail, and most people won't even notice it if they aren't looking for it.

I want to know who was cheering for it to be removed.

And the few times I have needed it, it was so nice to have. Even if I only use it once in the lifetime of the product, it will be worth it.

I haven't had to change a tire in years, but I think it is prudent to carry around a spare tire.

Simply having access to a feature is itself a feature.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:22AM (#28915982)
SD card isn't the problem, having a dedicated port for everything is. I really loved the USB-C-only approach:

Get whatever you need and plug. My camera has CF card, my drone has microSD card. So let's add them to the mix too. Also I never need the MagSafe port or never used HDMI port in my life. On the contrary, someone might need HDMI or SD slot everyday. My point is that they can't make everyone happy, and paying (not just by price but also the looks/simplicity) for ports that will never be used isn't the best thing to do.

USB-C solved this exact problem and what they did on this version is a major step back IMO, including removing the Touch Bar which had great potential for improvement.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by apostacy on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:27PM (#28920818)
I used a Thinkpad for over a year without noticing the microsd slot on it. I think they are so inconspicuous that most people don't even notice them.

And what is the alternative? USBA <-> USBC <-> SDCard adapter <-> MicroSD to SD adapter

Is that convenience?

Even if they gave away usb sdcard adapters for free, it would still be trouble to go out and get one. Or carry one around with me everywhere. Just another thing to lose. Another thing dangling out of my computer putting stress on the ports.

If I'm completely honest, I think it is more emotional than practical. This craving for hyper-optimization.

And even Apple now seems to be admitting that it was not a great idea.

I can understand dongles for tablets, but this is supposed to be a laptop, a somewhat general purpose computer.

> Also I never need the MagSafe port or never used HDMI port in my life

I assure you you are in the minority on this. MagSafe by the way is amazing. It has saved my old Macbooks more times than I can count. I've already had to get my USBC power slot replaced from tripping on it.

Having access to the ports is itself a feature. Having the peace of mind of knowing that you can go to the office or classroom and be able to use the projector or a jumpdrive, without having to worry about bringing the right adapters is a huge plus for me and I think most people.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:19AM (#28928950)
(Cross posting from my reply to sibling comment)

I'd completely agree with you if MagSafe was the only solution, but my USB-C cord has been kicked accidentally multiple times in the last few years. Every time, it just snapped out perfectly either from the brick or my MacBook. Nothing got harmed, so USB-C already solves the only problem MagSafe is solving, so why have it?

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:21AM (#28928963)
And about the HDMI, I understand many people finding it a great convenience. What really should be that USB-C should replace HDMI, or at least it should be compatible in a way that they have the same form factor and can be used exchangeably. One port to rule them all would be great and the best of both worlds.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by strogonoff on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:46AM (#28916089)
I suspect MBP battery life didn’t look so great considering the thinness, new hungrier M1 processors, dramatically increased number of pixels on the main display, and possibly the extra ports to small degree. Perhaps dropping the second display is what helped them soften the hit a little. Rarely use touch bar myself other than for adjusting volume and brightness, but in those regards it’s been incredibly convenient.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:58AM (#28916157)
Yeah, Mr. Ive went too much into "form over function" territory. While I love the thinness of my current 16" I also admit that I'd love to have more juice with a slightly ticker/heavier body.

The Touch Bar had a great promise, but they couldn't improve it enough to make it better (uhm, haptic feedback and faster response). Don't know how much it really contributed to battery drain though.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by strogonoff on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:02AM (#28916186)
From my understanding, any display is important contributor to battery drain, and touch bar is a pretty much always-on (while you work) high-DPI display.

I dread returning to the old way of controlling screen brightness and volume, though.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by schwartzworld on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @07:03PM (#28924822)
> Also I never need the MagSafe port...in my life.

You only need to need it once. I know more than one person who broke their laptop by kicking the cord pre-magsafe.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:17AM (#28928930)
I'd completely agree with you if MagSafe was the only solution, but my USB-C cord has been kicked accidentally multiple times in the last few years. Every time, it just snapped out perfectly either from the brick or my MacBook. Nothing got harmed, so USB-C already solves the only problem MagSafe is solving, so why have it?
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by schwartzworld on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @06:32AM (#28929034)
You got lucky. It's not solving the problem. You just tripped at the right angle.

It's a little like saying that you didn't get hurt when you had a car accident without a seat belt, therefore you have no need for seatbelts.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Thursday October 21, 2021 @05:38AM (#28942258)
What if they improved it then? They could easily solve this at the cable level where part of the cable near both ends is magnetically snapping, while still providing USB and PD functionality. Having a dedicated port when they replaced it with a convenient port like USB-C which could also bring the safety of MagSafe, but instead bringing back a different port while the device can perfectly charge over USB-C ports too is a bit weird IMO.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by justinator on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:14AM (#28914803)
An SD card reader is great, until you need a micro SD card reader and then, oh well. And advances will march on; ports on whatever I use will become outdated. Using an OG M1 Macbook Pro, it's not been a big problem. The dongle I have works great and has more useful ports than the Macbook it replaces.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by strogonoff on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:03AM (#28915552)
I have a portable reader (SD/microSD) which I almost never need on the go, and a reader built into my dock (SD/microSD/CF). Another dust-and-small-object-collecting nook is actually a downside for me. Built-in SD reader in my old MBP stopped recognizing cards (unless you push it in pressing at just the right angle, there’re a few posts on Apple discussions about this issue) after a couple of years anyway.

I’m wondering how much bigger the battery could be without all those extra ports—a top-spec M1 Max laptop would probably rival the current king, the 13" M1 MBP.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by kokekolo on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:53PM (#28914026)
I thought the same when I upgraded from my 2013 13 inch (with SD slot) to 2020 M1. Turns out it's a lot less convenient. As a camera user, it's so simple to just pull the SD card out of the camera and plug it into the MacBook. But now I just plug the camera in with the cable, even though I have the usb SD reader.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by lostlogin on Monday October 18, 2021 @11:41PM (#28914609)
The dongle life is just so very shit. Is there anyone who prefers a dongle to a built in solution?
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by matwood on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @07:21AM (#28916914)
Not sure about prefer, but indifferent at this point. The few places I might have needed to connect to HDMI (like a conference room) have all permanently attached a usb-c connector at this point. Adding the sdcard back is ok, but is superfluous at my desk because I have a dock (single cable connect at my desk is very nice). I also already carry a small usb-c -> sdcard reader so I can bring photos directly into LR on my iPad Pro.

MagSafe looks like a great return at first, but having used the M1 MBA for a year I've learned that I almost never plug into power in random places anymore. It's a bit like the plug on the bottom of mouse doesn't matter when you do it so infrequently. My MBA ends up almost exclusively charged from the dock on my desk, so the big advantage of MagSafe isn't there anymore.

And for these other ports, we lost a usb-c port. Probably not that big of deal since I've been living with 2 for a year, but it is a tradeoff to consider.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by justinator on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:10AM (#28914783)
It's pretty similar though - instead of SD card into computer, it's SD card into reader into computer. Have to do this for micro SD cards in some way/shape/form anyways.

This may be a, "everything is amazing and no one is happy" sort of situation. I think all my cameras connect wirelessly to my Mac and my iPhone anyways. I can copy/paste text/images/whatever across the two as well and that's just magic when it comes to casual content creation.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by endless1234 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:01AM (#28915540)
If using the laptop mostly in a stationary place, but occasionally taking it to meetings (or just around the house), the dongle life is okay - means just one cable to plug in when I come back. Of course it would still be better to have a few extra ports on the device itself, there's no getting around that.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by porknubbins on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:10AM (#28915307)
And a lot of them break or I lose them. Built in hw seems more robust.