Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by AwaAwa on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:19AM
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Just so that I'm sure I've understood this right. California decided to save the environment by shutting down "unclean" power within the state, with the idea that other states will provide them with their "dirty" generated power?
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Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by TrispusAttucks on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:40PM
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Yes!
Scream it from the roof tops. Most think California is green. What they did was outsource energy production to other states. This allowed them to move "dirty energy" from their balance sheet. But moving your coal plant to another state does not reduce GHG production. It only moves it across state lines.
EDIT: [1] Here some context with a link about the different types of GHG measurement methods.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28714396
EDIT: the gist being that if we moved to "B. (Absolute) GHG footprint accounting" we wouldn't be creating policy based on false accounting and those "loopholes" would be obviously misguided.
Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by toast0 on Saturday October 16, 2021 @03:09PM
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A large amount of California environmentalism is air quality, as measured in California; moving to cleaner sources within the state and dirtier sources outside the state helps tremendously with air quality as measured in the state. Of course, it doesn't help air quality near those other sources, and global measures aren't helped by simply moving coal plants elsewhere.
It's also not great for grid reliability to increase the watt miles used (is there a real term for that?).
Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by everybodyknows on Saturday October 16, 2021 @07:39PM
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It's a bit worse than that, from a GHG perspective, because of additional waste in transmission line losses. Mid-single digit percentages are typical.
Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by mensetmanusman on Saturday October 16, 2021 @11:47AM
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Yes
Re:California Scrambles to Find Electricity to Offset Plant ...
by achenet on Saturday October 16, 2021 @01:26PM
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Not actually solving the problem, just shifting it elsewhere. Nice.