That could just mean worker co-ops. What's so scary about Mondragón?

I didn’t say anything was scary did I? I wasn’t necessarily trying to say it was like torture. It just sounds like something Bernie Sanders would say. It’s not socialism, it’s democratic socialism.

I mean I’m fine with a democracy on the board of a company, I just don’t think it is wise to have everyone be on the board.

My larger point is that "democratic management of capital" doesn't have to mean socialism of any kind, it can mean worker co-ops, which can exist in social democratic, free market capitalist, hell even ancap utopian conceptions of stateless libertarian societies. It's just a management style.

> I mean I’m fine with a democracy on the board of a company, I just don’t think it is wise to have everyone be on the board.

Some companies are co-ops and have made it work. It depends, and is perhaps worth trying more.

it's not a euphemism? it's a literalism.

i don't think anyone would disagree that currently widespread models of management don't involve democratic processes.

a lot of the activism internal to large companies today is in direct response to perceived failures of management, and seeks to demonstrate broad internal support for specific actions. they would be satisfied if they had an institutional remedy instead of just petitions to the "king"