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Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by acjohnson55 on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:22AM (#28840037)
That's not really true, and furthermore, the virus-induced immunity is far more dangerous than vaccine-induced immunity.
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by nanis on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:29AM (#28840122)
Once one has acquired immunity that way, what practical and moral case is there to force them to also take a vaccine which may not add significantly more protection and may cause other problems?
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by jrm415 on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:46AM (#28840383)
What case is there to refuse a vaccine that is likely to add significantly more protection to the individual and community while remaining extremely unlikely to cause “other problems “?

It’s important to distinguish events that are likely from those which are unlikely. Otherwise you may mislead someone.

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by nanis on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @11:00AM (#28840575)
Note that the comparison is asymmetric. Forcing someone to do X is qualitatively different from that person not taking any action.
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by nicoburns on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:37AM (#28840226)
If the naturally immunity wanes quickly then that would be a good reason. Having said that, I do agree that advice and regulations around vaccination ought to be different for those who have previously been infected with the disease.
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by nanis on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:58AM (#28840561)
We can split hairs about which one wanes fastest, but it's not like vaccine provided immunity is bullet-proof or lasts forever: As of 10/4, COVID19 cases resulting in death or requiring hospitalization are up to 1/10,000 among the fully vaccinated and the trend has been going in the wrong direction for a while.

[1]: https://www.covid2020.icu/vaccine-breakthrough/

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by jacquesm on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:25AM (#28840070)
This person believes the pandemic is a lie.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27975053

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by torstenvl on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @11:00AM (#28840585)
Please don't comment with ad hominems. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by danaris on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @11:39AM (#28841075)
That doesn't seem to be an ad hominem: it seems to be directly addressing their previous statements, which are clearly germane to debate.
Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by torstenvl on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @11:50AM (#28841213)
An ad hominem is when you attack the person (such as by bringing up their previous comment history) rather than the substance of their argument.

Who the poster is and what they've said in the past are completely irrelevant.

Good rule of thumb: Would the rebuttal remain the same if responding to a different poster? If no, then the rebuttal is probably an ad hominem.

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by jacquesm on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @12:18AM (#28848189)
Yes, if that different poster believed the same thing.

There is a whole army of people out there who have a serious problem with accepting reality and it is useful to point out that someone is arguing with someone else who does not accept reality as it is commonly experienced. That saves everybody time, just like we don't feed the trolls we also should not waste cycles on engaging people who refuse to accept evidence anyway. Think of it as a PSA rather than an ad-hominem attack, you are assuming that the argument was brought in good faith, I don't.

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Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by dang on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:27PM (#28843233)
Could you please stop posting flamebait and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? We're trying for a different kind of site than that, and you've unfortunately been doing a lot of it.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by jojo2000 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @04:55AM (#28849831)
Hello Dang,

I'm not responsible for flamebait by expressing my opinion. Maybe the moderation system is to be overhauled to account for more diverse opinions ? I observed when I tell things half the time I get points half the time I get downvoted.

Are one-sided debates more fun ? Yes, if you want a reflexion of yourself in a mirror.

In any case I don't try to be this way intentionnally.

Is free speech still a thing ?

In any case if my opinion is not needed here I will go spend energy elsewhere. Community can be toxic and it's becoming the case here.

Re-reading all my comments I stand firm, no aggression there, just opinions.

Best regards, I know your work is very hard !

Re:Impact of circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants on mRNA vaccine... by dang on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @09:18AM (#28851716)
> I'm not responsible for flamebait by expressing my opinion.

We're trying to be a specific kind of site. For that we need people to post in a certain way: thoughtfully, respectfully, substantively. If you post that way, you're making a positive contribution. If you don't post that way, then you're contributing to destroying this place (for its intended purpose), which is not in your interest, because the community and culture here are what makes HN worth participating in in the first place.

I'm sure you wouldn't litter in a city park or dump motor oil in a mountain lake, right? You'd treat those resources carefully because you know how valuable they are, and how we all have to hold them in common. It's like that here. I don't see that as an "expressing my opinion" issue—if someone dumped motor oil in a mountain lake and you asked them about it and they said "this is how I express myself", that would not be persuasive.

People tend to vastly underestimate the damage they cause (let's say 10x) and vastly overestimate the damage that other people cause (let's say another 10x), which leads to a 100x bias in evaluating these things. That's why everyone feels innocent and aggrieved and why it's so obvious that other people are the problem. Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear!

If you're interested in reading a much longer explanation, here is an exchange I had with another user who was in a similar situation a few months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27161491. I took a lot of time to write that out (it's basically an essay) because this comes up fairly regularly. The point is that the issue isn't really a moral one ("don't say bad things") - it's an optimization problem ("how do we sustain an internet forum that doesn't suck"). If you understand that then maybe you'll feel less like the moderation here is against you.