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Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by pentae on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:27PM (#28835433)
As an Australian I respectfully disagree with you and agree with the article - most Australians just don't care. I've consistently mentioned this to my Australian friends, colleagues, family members for about 10 years now and it's always met with complacency. Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about". Most Australians trust the government will do the right thing.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by user123456780 on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:45PM (#28835529)
> Most people don't care, some people care but won't do anything about it, and some people think that "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about". Most Australians trust the government will do the right thing.

I think that is because of media portraying these laws as a positive thing. Almost exactly the line you're talking about. I'm pretty sure I have heard politicians saying exactly: "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about"

Its a sad but true fact that 99% of Australians (probably rest of the western world) only gets their ongoing education (beyond high school/bachelors in a specific industry) from the mainstream media. And we have close enough to dictator level of media diversity pushing a single narrative. Its not wonder people dont care about their privacy being eroded.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by Smoosh on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:18PM (#28835701)
> "If i'm not doing anything wrong I have nothing to worry about"

The irony being that the current government seems particularly opposed to any form of accountability or public scrutiny.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by NoPicklez on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @07:09PM (#28846230)
As an Aussie as well, I think not knowing about something is often aligned with people also just not caring. This goes for most things technology really, most people don't care until it impacts them.

We all have only a finite amount of things we can care about in a day and for many Aussies, laws, especially laws around the use of technology aren't front of mind for the average Australian. But as time goes on and these laws actually start to impact us, then you will see people caring.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by hndamien on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @01:24AM (#28848518)
It's very Australian to care when it is too late.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 0xdeadb00f on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:50PM (#28835559)
I know people who go so far the other way. They don't vote because they think it's all rigged. They don't follow politics so they think all the parties are the same.

It's moronic. I try to explain but I'm met with looks like _I'm_ the moron.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by brokenmachine on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:05AM (#28836283)
Which privacy-respecting party do you vote for?
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by stephen_g on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:38AM (#28836762)
Greens and some Independents are the only ones who have voted against these bills, so if you have those, they should be higher preferences than the major parties.

If somebody doesn't vote, then they're basically giving a free pass to the incumbent - which if you're in a Liberal, National or LNP seat is literally making things worse in these respects.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 0xdeadb00f on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:37AM (#28836752)
Both/most parties are complicit in privacy invasions. I just assume whoever I vote for will invade my privacy. So I don't vote based on that. I vote based on the other remaining factors that they _do_ differ on.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by bobbytit on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:42AM (#28837853)
I do not think you are in any position to be calling anyone else a moron.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 0xdeadb00f on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @06:30AM (#28838113)
How about explain why you disagree? Instead of saying shit like that? Also I never called anyone a moron outright.

There is more to a political party than their stance on a single issue. If you can't see that then you are a moron. And yes, I did just call you that, outright.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by bobbytit on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @07:28AM (#28838444)
What you are describing is a fake democracy. You are given the choice between two cheeks of the same arse. Don't be too quick to confuse stupidity with a difference of opinion.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 0xdeadb00f on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @10:33PM (#28847587)
What I am describing is realistic. No independent will ever win. If that's a fake or flawed democracy so be it - I can't help that, it's out of my control. What is in my control is whether I get to pick the lesser of the two evils. The cheek that's slightly bigger, juicier.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by hndamien on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @01:26AM (#28848526)
You have a preferential voting system, not the lesser of two evils.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 0xdeadb00f on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @01:33AM (#28848564)
But you understand that no independent will ever win right? That isn't realistic.

It is technically preferential and sure, it could happen, but none of the independents have, or will ever have enough of a following to win a federal election.

Also, for the record. I don't choose either of the two evils as my number one pick when I vote. I always do choose the party I think is best for this country privacy wise. But sadly, they will never win a federal election.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by hndamien on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @10:43PM (#28859978)
Theoretically an independent could get enough support to form a party that could win. My point is that at least the system is structured that such an outcome could happen over time, or that the process of this happening forces major parties to adapt to the prevailing winds against their ideologies. In a strict two party system you get systematic pressure towards polarisation, rather than a more bumpy road to some sort of consensus that is apparently easily manipulated by media.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by justinclift on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:47PM (#28843494)
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by waddlesworth on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @07:44PM (#28846494)
The "both parties are the same" thing is a meme in some more engaged circles, because it's so obviously false to anyone paying attention.

It really shouldn't be surprising that the incumbent party benefits from this attitude, yet I get the same look from likely just as many people.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by Kim_Bruning on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @01:43PM (#28842666)
Do you have enough historical counter examples to show how people absolutely did end up worrying? To be fair, Australia is a long way from Europe for instance, but I'm pretty sure examples from nearer by might still be available