Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by dfxm12 on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:15AM
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No company wants it to break to the point of "meltdown". From a practical view, it loses too much money. From a (maybe, maybe not) cynical sense, it makes it too obvious how much they're extracting from the bottom and invites action from the government or workers.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by HPsquared on Monday October 11, 2021 @08:31AM
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I don't know about that, with P/E ratios as high as they are I think investors assume companies will have an infinite lifespan.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by nradov on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:23AM
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With P/E ratios as high as they are I think investors are desperate and don't have anywhere else to put their capital.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by Zigurd on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:11AM
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Naive finance works that way. Sophisticated finance prices-in downside risk.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by toss1 on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:52PM
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Yes, but with finance based on transitory MBA executive suites job-hopping around the corporate world, the right play is to price in the risk during your term and a bit after, so the 10-year risk is ignored, but if you can strip everything out of redundancy, product development, etc., the numbers will look better for a while, you get your bonus package, and move to the next opportunity/victim.
When things have been built to last, there is a lot of "fat" that can be cut - for a while.
The numbers will always look better - until they don't.
When the music stops, the "lean" "financial engineers" will be long gone, and those still there will have not the slightest clue how to re-start a culture of serious product/service development or robust operations, and the corp falls into a death spiral.
If you are a trader, you DGAF.
If you are an investor, watch for numbers improving without product and operations improving, and new markets being opened.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by Zigurd on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:39PM
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I was not disagreeing. The biggest problems come where finance is not sophisticated and management is seduced by cost cutting. Those often go hand in hand.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by nradov on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:19AM
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Sure that's the theory. But how do you accurately price in risk for rare events? The uncertainty is so large that any price you set is effectively just a guess.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by Zigurd on Monday October 11, 2021 @10:25AM
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Insurance and derivatives are supposed to find prices for rare events. And if an organization can't insure or securitize a risk it should make them think real hard about mitigation.
Re:Southwest operational meltdown as hundreds of flights can...
by krageon on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:09AM
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You guess based on data and do your best, that is more or less how all expert opinion works. An actuarial table also doesn't tell you anything about what will happen, but it allows you to do your best.
Finance never did produce, it's whole purpose is to extract.
Run a gasoline engine to lean and it will start to heat and stutter...
As for the growth, in a peaceful society you can grow as much as the amount of people you supply, so without war there will probably no other way than saying goodbye to growth.