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Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by mschuster91 on Friday October 08, 2021 @05:07AM (#28797159)
> I dont understand how US got to to this point, having tech companies making morale judgement and law enforcement on pretty much every issue.

Because the institutions that should have handled these responsibilities got broken down intentionally due to "starve the beast" libertarian ideology. Congress is gridlocked and plagued with cronyism, corruption and obstructionism for decades, and the fact that FPTP leads to extreme polarization doesn't help either.

Regarding law enforcement, the problem is similar - the fact that police unions are so powerful that they can threaten democratically decided reform projects (e.g. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/08/03/how-police-uni...) is maddening in itself.

The end result is a weird form of anarchism - trial by public, one may call it IMO... in the absence of government regulation - no matter if due to incompetence, old age of those in decision-making power or bribery - individual actors simply do whatever they want (aka makes the most profit for them), unless the pressure of the public in form of protest campaigns reins them in a bit.

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by fauigerzigerk on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:19AM (#28797585)
>Because the institutions that should have handled these responsibilities got broken down intentionally due to "starve the beast" libertarian ideology.

Historically, the position of liberal/libertarian free market advocates has been that protecting and enforcing property rights is a core responsibility of the state - one of very few core responsibilities.

You can probably find some fringe opinions that would question even this limited role of government, but I think you're going to find it very difficult to demonstrate that this is a significant political force.

Underfunding or general ineffectiveness of the judiciary and law enforcement can be a consequence of many political and organsiational failures. You can find it in many countries around the world that could never be called remotely libertarian.

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by ksec on Friday October 08, 2021 @05:13AM (#28797197)
>The end result is a weird form of anarchism - trial by public,

Oh thank you. That makes lots of sense.

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by robertlagrant on Friday October 08, 2021 @06:23AM (#28797616)
> Because the institutions that should have handled these responsibilities got broken down intentionally due to "starve the beast" libertarian ideology. Congress is gridlocked and plagued with cronyism, corruption and obstructionism for decades

Libertarian ideology famously pro-cronyism, corruption and obstructionism?

:)

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by Peritract on Friday October 08, 2021 @07:54AM (#28798192)
Yes.

If a stated principle conflicts with common behaviour, then you focus on the behaviour. People/organisations aren't incorrupt just because they claim to be.

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by robertlagrant on Sunday October 10, 2021 @12:11PM (#28819546)
Or you're just incorrect. People "starving the beast" aren't generally the cronies. The cronies like the beast. They are part of the beast.
Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by Peritract on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @07:34AM (#28838486)
"Starve the beast" is an American conservative slogan and strategy.

American conservative politics is absolutely ridden with corruption, obstructionism, and cronyism.

Again, just because someone claims that they are incorruptible and only looking out for your best interests, it doesn't mean they actually are.

Re:Cloudflare doesn’t have to cut off copyright-infringing w... by robertlagrant on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:33AM (#28877502)
Conservative isn't the same as libertarian. Libertarians vote for Conservatives because they're the closest thing they've got, to my understanding.

If they have a choice between people who overtly want to move more power to the state, and those who say they don't but sometimes do, they're going to pick the latter.