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Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:23PM (#28748935)
It's pretty easy to go over two units in a day if you drink casually and aren't paying attention. Checking a handy online chart, 2 units of red wine is 70% of an US measuring cup - 167ml. So if you thought a "cup" (as in measuring cup) of wine was fine, you'd be over 2.

A bottle of 5% beer is defined as 1.7 units, therefore a bottle of 6.5% or 7% craft beer would be well over 2 units.

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by throwaway9191aa on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:32PM (#28749068)
I was reading https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/overview-a..., which looks a little different than your chart, but the craft beer thing (imho) is dangerous (and I love craft beer).

Most of the beers I like are 7.5%, except stouts which are 10-12%. They also come in large 16oz cans. Two of these is almost 4 drinks. "Craft beer enthusiast" can start to approach heavy drinker very quickly.

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by Symbiote on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:37PM (#28749933)
16oz = 473mL. Now that's out of the way…

I often socialize with a Belgian guy, and he will choose similarly strong Belgian beers, but will almost always split the bottle with someone else. I think that can would probably be split three ways — it is equivalent to 2½ to 3 reasonable glasses of wine.

Sometimes that means drinking less, but it might also mean each person tries a wider selection of beers.

(A deleted comment asked for a "European" view, and I should make clear this is not a unified European view. That's impossible, as drinking culture varies massively between countries, by drink, culture, law and tax.)

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:49PM (#28749267)
https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc...

Here was the reference I used. Small glass of red/white/rosé wine (125ml, ABV 12%) 1.5 units Bottle of lager/beer/cider (330ml, ABV 5%) 1.7 units

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:09PM (#28749549)
Oh, and wow. 16oz = 473ml (had to look that up)

473ml*0.12 = 57ml of alcohol (!) - so almost 6 10ml units in a single can??? so two of those 12% stouts would be 11.4 units! Ouch... Yeah. Maybe switch to one of them as a special treat once in a while. :)

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by shkkmo on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:47PM (#28749247)
Your numbers are off. Based on your link, a 12oz 5% beer is one drink so a 16oz 7.5% is 2 drinks (1.5 * 4/3) and thus two of those is exactly 4 drinks.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by whimsicalism on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:32PM (#28749075)
A measuring cup of wine is obviously more than a standard drink.
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by Symbiote on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:13PM (#28749600)
In England, pubs usually sell "small", "medium" or "large" glasses of wine, which are 125mL, 150mL and 250mL. ([1] for good evidence for this, that you can buy measures for it. There's also a law [2].)

But the comparisons in this discussion are all confused, as the first person wrote "US measuring cup" but used UK alcohol "units" (which are 10mL = 6g), but the US "standard drink" contains 11g = 18mL alcohol.

UK units are nicer to calculate, as an example 150mL glass of 13% wine contains 150 × 13 ÷ 1000 → 1.95 "units" alcohol (19.5mL).

But the US standard drink is probably nearer to what people actually consider one drink. The UK site shows that typical drinks are nearer 2-3 units [3].

[1] https://www.wineware.co.uk/professional-stainless-steel-thim...

[2] https://www.gov.uk/weights-measures-and-packaging-the-law/sp...

[3] https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc...

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:31PM (#28749862)
Yeah, sorry, I was trying to use the "measuring cup" for familiar reference purposes. The 10 ml of alcohol measure in the UK (with 1-2 units being the "safe" range) definitely seems a lot clearer and easier to approximate if your drink has an ABV % to me than the "standard drink which is all over the place: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_drink

"For example, in the United States, a standard drink contains about 14 grams of alcohol." "Different countries define standard drinks differently. For example, in Australia, a standard drink contains 10 grams of alcohol,[4] but in Japan, one "unit" contains approximately 20 grams."

Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:57PM (#28750144)
But, ok, yeah, I'm sorry. I'd perked up and replied to parent because the "2 standard unit 20ml limit" as "safe" seems to show up in a bunch of studies, and interpreted "2 drinks" as that. But if he meant US standard drink that would be a 1.7*2 units (or 2 5% beer bottles), which is a bit harder to hit (but also firmly in unhealthy territory). That said, as another person noted, you can blow through that with a high ABV craft beer really easily (or an overly full glass of wine).
Re:The big alcohol study that didn't happen by capitainenemo on Monday October 04, 2021 @12:44PM (#28749210)
It's a very large glass of wine, yes. That said, I've been in restaurants with large wine glasses that generously fill them.

I guess if you're paying by the bottle who cares. Ensures more consumption?

And, was more noting how people could deceive themselves. I just fetched one of the large wine glasses from the kitchen. Filled but well below the rim (maybe a couple of cm below) it was 2 cups of water (so 6 units!) - I emptied out the water and filled it with 1 cup of water (so well over the 2 units) the glass was less than half full. Visually looked about a third of the way up the glass due to the curve.