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Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by gameswithgo on Monday October 04, 2021 @07:18AM (#28745289)
This has already been happening but self driving enthusiasts just keep thinking it is great. And regulators have done very little and otherwise smart people like Sandy Munro get extremely mad at what little regulators have hinted at. It is wild times.
Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by dreamcompiler on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:09AM (#28746917)
Munro sat down with Musk and enthusiastically praised FSD but complained about how roads were often improperly painted. Musk--to his credit--said the car needed to work safely even in the presence of paint errors. (Video is on Munro's YT channel.) Munro is very critical of many aspects of car design; I cannot understand why he's such a fan of FSD.

I tried FSD on the $200/month plan and dropped it: It makes the car unsafe. To command a lane change you hold down the turn signal stalk. If you fail to hold it down long enough the car suddenly swerves back to the lane it was in. This is (to say the least) disconcerting at 80 mph.

FSD can also suddenly decide to do weird things that are difficult to correct even when you're paying close attention. It's unnerving. Ordinary autosteer (which is included with every Tesla at no extra charge) works well enough for me and it fails in more predictable ways; it's easy for me to build a mental model of its limitations. I'll stick with that.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by lastofthemojito on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:27AM (#28747159)
> Munro is very critical of many aspects of car design; I cannot understand why he's such a fan of FSD.

Maybe due to personal profit?

https://old.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/kxj0or/twitter_s...

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by gamblor956 on Monday October 04, 2021 @11:26AM (#28747919)
TLDR: Munro admits to owning a bunch of Tesla stock, and there is a drastic change in his opinions of Tesla before he owned Tesla stock vs after.
Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by mikestew on Monday October 04, 2021 @03:57PM (#28751308)
there is a drastic change in his opinions of Tesla before he owned Tesla stock vs after.

I'm confident that this would apply to just about anyone that has ever bought, and then sold, Tesla stock. Because, and I don't mean to overstate the obvious, if one's opinion didn't change then why sell the stock?

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by nomel on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:16PM (#28749658)
Or, perhaps there is a drastic change in his stock ownership after his opinions changed.
Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by leesec on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:32AM (#28747224)
>I tried FSD on the $200/month plan and dropped it: It makes the car unsafe. To command a lane change you hold down the turn signal stalk. If you fail to hold it down long enough the car suddenly swerves back to the lane it was in. This is (to say the least) disconcerting at 80 mph.

This isn't true. You just tap the stalk down until it clicks. Sometimes if it detects issues in the other lane it will not complete the lane change and go back into your existing lane. But you do not have to hold it down the whole time.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by justapassenger on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:15AM (#28747006)
> Munro is very critical of many aspects of car design; I cannot understand why he's such a fan of FSD.

Because he doesn’t understand it and thinks it’s magic. He has not much clue about modern tech and is just buying into the hype.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by moduspol on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:18AM (#28747044)
> I tried FSD on the $200/month plan and dropped it: It makes the car unsafe. To command a lane change you hold down the turn signal stalk. If you fail to hold it down long enough the car suddenly swerves back to the lane it was in. This is (to say the least) disconcerting at 80 mph.

That's not quite accurate. Unrelated to autopilot / FSD, you can do a small press on the turn signal and it will signal three times and then stop signaling. You can also push all the way down and it will signal until you turn it off. You don't have to hold it down.

FSD will only continue switching lanes while the turn signal is on, so if you do a small press down, you may see the behavior you described.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by dreamcompiler on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:37AM (#28747287)
To clarify I'm talking about a lane change initiated by me rather than merely allowing one recommended by the car. The latter only requires a brief flick of the turn signal stalk.

But the former required me to actively hold it down for several seconds--much longer than a full turn signal would require. I had to hold it down until the car was completely within the stripes of the adjacent lane or the car would immediately swerve back into the original lane. I tested it many times on a traffic-free road. Might have been a setting; I don't know.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by johnsimer on Monday October 04, 2021 @01:33PM (#28749887)
Interesting. Either way I only have to tap the stalk down.
Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by texasbigdata on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:22AM (#28747098)
Had the opposite experience on a testdrive purposely (within reason) trying to see if it would merge into a lane that subsequently had a merging onramp with a car resulting in the blindspot likely needing to move in.

Was super impressed it seemed to over correct and be thoughtful about consequences a few seconds down the road.

Anecdote though.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by revscat on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:52AM (#28747493)
It is great. I own a Model S with autopilot, and have since early 2018. I have driven it across some dozen states, and two Canadian provinces. It is far perfect, but it is very, very good, and makes long drives much less stressful and tiresome.

And there have been at least two incidences that I can recall where Autopilot saved me from a wreck.

I would not choose to go back, and would buy it again without hesitation.

Re:For Tesla, Facebook and Others, AI’s Flaws Are Getting Ha... by virtue3 on Monday October 04, 2021 @10:10AM (#28746934)
We didn't get the FAA regulations we have now until after a ton of people died in aviation accidents and the aviation industry figured they need to get their image together.

So... yeah it's gonna take a lot of deaths for this to get regulated. It's a shame cuz we already basically know how to regulate this.