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Re:The Wayforward Machine by Aeolun on Saturday October 02, 2021 @07:04PM (#28732908)
As far as I’m aware, Facebook and Apple do not have a standing army yet.
Re:The Wayforward Machine by mortenjorck on Saturday October 02, 2021 @07:34PM (#28733153)
Neither does the Supreme Court, but that doesn’t make it any less powerful.

Framing FAANGs as entities contra governments as a whole doesn’t really capture the relationship, which has evolved something more akin to the checks and balances that exist between branches of government.

Re:The Wayforward Machine by drdaeman on Saturday October 02, 2021 @07:14PM (#28732985)
Because they don't need to?
Re:The Wayforward Machine by krapp on Saturday October 02, 2021 @07:21PM (#28733034)
The argument that social media companies are more powerful than governments is fundamentally undermined if social media companies don't actually have any of the powers traditionally ascribed to governments (such as a monopoly on violence) and are, themselves, subject to the authority of governments.

Twitter banning Donald Trump's account doesn't make them more powerful than the US government, for instance. MacDonald's serves billions every day, but no one calls them a superpower.

Re:The Wayforward Machine by franga2000 on Sunday October 03, 2021 @06:56AM (#28736159)
The power to censor speech and control the spread of information is one of these traditional government powers and these companies routinely use it. In a democracy, control of information is as good if not better than an army. Installing a new government by force would get the international community pissed at you - the UN might even wag a finger at you angrily. Winning a democratic election because the people's beliefs were groomed by an algorithm in full control of which information they see and which they don't is something nobody will even know happened. Your government is as legitimate as any other and your power isn't much less absolute than any military dictatorship.

I'm not saying this will happen - it surely won't. But it could.

What will and already does happen is that companies won't replace governments with their puppets, but use their power over information to extract more and more value from the people and to get existing governments to make it easier for them.

Violence is a crude tool used by empires of the past. Even governments are starting to abandon it. Access to and control of information is the name of the game now. Governments need to hack, deceive and threaten to get information, but we've already voluntarily put these tech companies in control of ours. Governments have already lost on that front.

Re:The Wayforward Machine by iammisc on Sunday October 03, 2021 @12:21AM (#28734516)
They do... The united States of America's army. The federal government is slowly becoming an arm of big tech. Look at how many ex googlers and Facebook execs are taking government positions. Look at how califorinia officials are instructing Facebook what to do.

This is like claiming the epa has no army ... technically true but completely missing the larger context